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  1. JohnnyJohnson

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    I'm perplexed at the very notion of loving this team right now.
     
  2. JohnnyJohnson

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    What really made me fall in love was the last 5 games. We finished 9-7 and really should have been .500, thanks to the Bills.

    No wait, its not the last 5 games...it was the 16 hours after losing to Miami when the coach was released, and in the same breath the prospect of a strong coach coming here. Oh wait...nevermind, HE SAID NO.

    All that stuff is fine, but what really made the blood rush to my 5th extremity is all the news articles coming out about discontent in the locker room. Man, I need some lotion and tissues, because this is all just too much love.
     
  3. Jet Blue

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    1) I think the Talent on this team is as good as any Jets team in a long long time.

    2) I think the defense is on the cusp of being pretty good- can use another piece or two and needs a DC who "Blitzes coming off the bus"... this team rushed 3 Down linemen A LOT this year and let teams pick them apart - I think a new DC makes this defense a top unit pretty easily...

    3) The offense line is good. In the old days we used to say it took years to build a good OL - I think this Ol gets even better - They can keep adding to it - add depth and go back to the RUN team they were building...

    4) I've been around the block a few times - If people are going to spew HATE on "This Team" they haven't seen nuthin'..... THIS TEAM has talent - This team has the opportunity to get a firey Head coach and go with a QB they already have and be a lot better....If people are hating THIS Jets team , I just feel they must have missed a lot of Jets years or a lot of other teams in the NFL and don't grasp how quickly a 1-15 team can turn around, a 9-7 team could do it as well... This team didn't do the little things - didn't blitz and didn't run when they should have - These are the easiest fixes going.

    I LOVE THIS TEAM!~!!!

    NOw don't get me wrong - If they hire Ted Cotrell or some other dumbass to be the HC< i'll line up and cry as well...

    But, right now I see OPTIMISM.
     
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    OK that's all super stuff, and I feel ya man but you're largely over simplifying things. Suppose the new HC and his staff don't run a 3 -4? What do we do to realign our talent? Rebuild. Great...love that word.

    What if 1 or 2 players that will leave this year, are not replaced with equally adept players?

    Those are just 2 examples. The list goes on and on, and to simply write it off as a plug-in replacement is just naive.
     
  5. Jet Blue

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    That's a pretty short list IMO....

    This defense was originally built to be 3-4 base and then be unpredictable and play some 4-3.... And you were never supposed to know where the rush was coming from...

    The Rush never came.

    But, much of this talent can play 4-3... It's not as drastic to go back to 4-3 and the fact is, no matter what defense we ran in the past the problem was not havinga run stuffer in the middle... Once you have that then you can play whatever defense you want behind it.
    People go a little crazy over systems and system changes - When you have a beast in the middle it matters less.... heck draft BJ Raji and have TWO monsters in the middle!!!!!

    That said, I do think the FO will be looking for the least transition and be in WIN-NOW mode....

    If they did hire a guy like Spags who has 4-3 experience - He'd have to blow them away in the interview process with what and how he would work this defense...


    As for losing players.... So, you're going to cry about stuff you don't even know... What team can't say what you just said "Wahhh, what if we lose player sand can't find better one's!!!!????"

    REALLY????? That's you're point?

    Believe me, out of all the offseasosn I've been through as a Jets fan, THIS ONE i samong the most optimistic IMO.

    No lame duck HC who can't therefore hire a new DC - Real Good talent and a real good cast of HC's avaialable!!!


    LETS ROLL!!!
     
  6. bassman

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    Jet Blue, I agree with a lot of what you said. A new DC could do wonders. But I can't help but wonder. If us amatures can see these things, then why not Bobby. He had to see these problems. Maybe hands are tied.

    Plus Mangini had this whole "building habits" thing going. It seemed as though everyone was happy "establishing" certain things like running the ball no matter what the situation as long as it had long term effects. Like building a franchise that would have had to suffer mediocrity until all of the hard work led to a solid program that could win for a long time and weather many storms. That is what I bought into. Yes. Something went wrong but I thought that Mangini would have figured it out.

    For me its this. After the press conference with Johnson and Tannenbaum, I was reminded of too many teams with inept owners who want to be hands on and all they are doing is creating a mess.

    True. The New York Jets brought in a ton of talent that can be coached into a winning team. Thats undeniable.
     
  7. JohnnyJohnson

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    Amazing insight again, coach. Now maybe you can speak without some of the arrogance. Maybe not.

    I'm glad you're brimming with optimism, but maybe your seratonine levels are just a tad too high. Consult your physician.
     
  8. Jet Blue

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    Maybe you need something to cure your depression?
     
  9. Jets n Boys

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    And you honestly think that Packer organization is that desperate to have him retire as a Packer???
     
  10. bassman

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    Cat fight!:lol:
     
  11. JohnnyJohnson

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    Do you have any recommendations?
     
  12. skorol75

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    As bad as this sounds, but with the disastrous QB situation Woody put this team in, getting Farve healthy and ready for the start of training camp is our best option right now. We have already witnessed Bollinger and Clemens experiments in the last couple of years. We need someone with more talent to start at QB, even if the guy is young. We really have no good realistic options right now. Our 1st round pick is not high enough to get a QB capable of producing this year. One of our back-up QB was actually given a chance before and failed miserably. Granted Farve failed last 5 games as well, but other choices are even worse. If Farve heals the arm injury and goes through entire training camp with the team, perhaps he can perform better than this year. I am not so sure we have a realistic option finding someone who can do better than that.
     
  13. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    It doesn't matter if his contract is for one year or three years he still costs zero to cut. The Pack had to absorb the prorated bonus money when they traded him. The Jets cap number is just salary at this point.
     
  14. supersonic

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    He is a cancer, cut him.
     
  15. jigglebilly

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    CHange title to a good FAKE rumor.
     
  16. Long Time Jet Fan

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    Yeah, let's put off the search for a franchise QB another year so we can be led be a washed-up 40-year old jerk of a QB that will again cause the Jets to miss the playoffs. Sounds like a plan to me.
     
  17. Red Menace

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    I agree with many of your observations, because I see a lot of talent on this team and that's why I'm so frustrated with this team because I thought the talent was underutilized, however the key is getting the right group of coaches, and that is where I don't have confidence in Woody, yes he opened up his wallet, yes he fired Mangerine, but we don't know if he want's to keep the current coaching staff and just bring in a coach who will accept that or if he will let the new coach pick his own coaching staff hopefully he will do the right thing and let the HC pick his staff until then it's playoff football people enjoy the games!!!
     
  18. Red Menace

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    actually I disagree only because KC has not been given ample opportunity to play, the Jets changed their offensive scheme for the sake of Brett, they included plays he ran in GB, 4 receiver sets are not the norm under BS, he runs a very tight, low risk, mistake free football scheme and I think Brett can play under that style, KC probably knows it better at this point...personally if they want to bring him back fine but he has to be reigned in, and if they don't that's also fine give KC a shot...
     
  19. puddnhead

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    Explain to me how & where we are gong to get this franchise quarterback -- and actually play him in 2009 -- when we have the 17th pick in the draft, and it's doubtful Cassel or anyone else like him will be available.

    Explain to me how you square going into rebuilding mode with the fact that there will be a lot of older FA veterans going into their second year of big, short term contracts.

    Explain to me how being schizophrenic (signing older high priced talent and then starting a raw lower draft pick QB, for example) has ever gotten anyone anywhere in the history of the NFL.

    It must be very convenient to always propose things that are always about "the future" and not about the coming season. Even if the Jets were foolish enough to do that, you still would be able to write off whatever happened as "that's OK, this was all about 2-3 years from now!"
     

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