Note to Jets: Trade Up for Sanchez

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  1. kinghenry89

    kinghenry89 New Member

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    Clemens has a slow release and a bad tendency to get "tunnel vision" (i.e. he locks onto one receiver and misses a lot of check downs.) Basically he's a turnover waiting to happen, and he doesn't seem to have improved his game much since he's been here (granted, it's hard to tell definitively because he hasn't had much playing time.)

    The Jets have a potentially elite defense and a legitimate chance to win the division this year. I don't feel comfortable putting the season in Clemens' shaky hands (nor, for the record, do I want them to turn things over to an even more unproven rookie.)
     
  2. IATA

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    Who the hell do you want then? Ratliff has 0 experience against 1st string players in real games. Ainge is the same.
     
  3. JohnnyJohnson

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    What's the most you've ever lost on a coin toss, friend-o?
     
  4. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    And...pray tell junior GM..exactly how many snaps did the 6th round pick form Michigan have when Mo Lewis borke Drew Bledsoe's lung....

    The simple point is you are not there. Guys that get paid to see these things are....

    And as for the observations on Clemens...You might want to go back, and revisit who was playing on the OL.....


    Pennington got kneecapped in WK 1. Then Clemens got Bashed....



    Get a clue...
     
  5. GBA

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    That's rubbish. There are some elements to Clemens game that looked weak, definitely, but his release and a tendency to stare down receivers were not among them. His release is fine.

    If you're going to criticize him at least be honest. He does have questionable footwork and an ugly throwing technique that results in a low projectile, that much is true. He also panicked a lot, but that was really to be expected considering the circumstances. On the other hand, given the few precious moments he had to work with, it's clear he also has a strong arm, good accuracy at times, and a good touch on the ball.

    When you say he has tunnel vision and doesn't do a proper checkdown, that's one thing. That, along with his decision-making abilities, is something we'll have to find out this year since he didn't have time to go through check-downs in '07. Staring down a receiver is a completely different animal and that didn't appear to be one of Clemens' issues. If you watched Ratliff during preseason, he DID do that a lot, which is one of the reasons I'm cautious in my optimism of Brett.

    Edit: If you don't want it in Clemens' hands or the hands of an unproven rookie, who do you want to lead the team next year?
     
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  6. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    To gain experience, you've got to start SOMEWHERE, don't you think? If experience is the only argument you can give for Clemens, I've got to say it's very weak argument.
     
  7. bigalxc

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    I don't think hes worth trading for. IF he falls to us great otherwise just say no
     
  8. Hobbes3259

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    you'd be better off in the long term with BJ Raji or Heyward Bey.

    (and dont give me the soft crap..the kid is 6'3" and fast.....in college he played with shitty QBs...)
     
  9. Mambo9

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    Just give our QB's a chance... they know the system so they can't be as bad as a rookie just coming in. Plus i think Sanchez needs at least one full year of polishing before he can play. Same with Freeman... What really gets on my nerves is that with Pennington (who we are still paying btw) we would have had a good QB for a run based team but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo we had to get Favre (and give away a 3rd round pick) god i hated that move so much... i know at the time it made sense but god i hate it now.
     
  10. MikeSLTJ23

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    not soft, just not that good. nicks, britt and maclin would all be better choices.
     
  11. kinghenry89

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    How many QBs have won Superbowls the same season as they stepped into the starting job with 0 experience? Brady is a huge exception to a pretty consistent rule.

    I want the Jets to look at Byron Leftwitch or Jeff Garcia. Someone who will facilitate our run game by playing smart and not turning the ball over. And if Clemens or Ratliff is the starter, I think that they should have to earn it by competing against a veteran QB and I think that there should be a veteran on the roster in case the real games turn out to be tougher than the preseason.

    I disagree with you but you're making fair points; I'm not backing down from my analysis of Clemens, but at least you responded with an actual argument (as opposed to the sophomoric putdowns which are usually used as rebuttals on this site.)

    Hopefully you're right about Clemens, because he's probably gonna be starting.
     
  12. fltflo

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    Listen,
    to begin, I will not be calling anyone names including the original poster. He was just throwing out ideas, abet in my opinion, with this one, a poor idea.


    First of all when a QB's college coach is telling him he is coming out too early this should raise a red flag with any team thinking of drafting this player. When the college coach who is making that statement has vast experience in the pro game, it really becomes a wake up call.

    Second, when the player ignores this advice and decides he knows best, then the advice becomes a warning to the player and teams thinking of drafting him !
    While many may disagree with me, if Pete Carroll thinks Sanchez is not ready for the NFL that would weigh heavily with me if I were a GM or HC in this up coming draft.

    So if I am Tanny or Rex and this kid fall in our lap at 17 I would start lighting up the phones and begin the wheeling and dealing. I am sure there are plenty of teams will to take a chance on this kid, it is my hope the Jets are not one of them. If we could deal the pick for an extra 3th or 4th and not move to much further down, i would pull the trigger on that in a heartbeat.

    As I have said in earlier posts, while I think next years team is capable of making the playoff in spite of the QB situation, this will just be the first step. By no means do I see us challenging for the Super Bowl, although stranger things have happened.

    So as this new group of both players and coaches jell and install and learn the new system, this will be the perfect time to see just what we have at QB. The worst case is that all three guys perform below expectations and we answer the questions that have been foremost in every ones mind.

    Or as I expect one of the two Clemens or Ratliff step up and are allowed to develop and the Jets find they had the starter they have wanted on the roster all along.

    The other possibility is by the end of next year we know which of the three has to go, who we will keep as a back up. The following year we take the best QB available to us in the first round or trade that pick for the best available young QB available in trade with another team looking to deal, aka the Cassel trade. We then start that traded QB or a Vet to be named later till either the backup or young draftee takes the job from him.....
     
  13. JetsUK

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    I say we get him - he is just so handsome.
     
  14. BadgerOnLSD

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    I'm pretty sure that was his argument for not wanting Brett Favre to retire.
     
  15. nyjcanada

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    im glad i didn't see that thread
     
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    "The face that sold a thousand PSLs"
     
  17. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    Ben almost did in his first year - then certainly did it in his second. Next?
     
  18. Kamen

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    I just want to see what he does this season on entourage before i invest a first round pick on him. I mean he has had a couple straight bad movies, but his performance in The Great Gatsby could change my opinion on him.
     
  19. Sinjz

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    Maybe someone already mentioned it but I'm unlikely to read past the post I quoted.

    We did it for D-Rob too! When you miss it hurts real bad. :sad:

    Don't want Sanchez, would stick with Clemens.
     
  20. Attackett

    Attackett Well-Known Member

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    I would imagine the same people slamming this idea were also against the idea of trading up for Matt Ryan last year.
     

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