KC was considered a comparable talent coming out of the draft. Cutler found himself on a better offense, behind a better offensive line. He's had much more of a chance to prove himself than Clemens has. No one except Clemens' family can say he's a better QB than Cutler right now, but give Clemens a shot and don't throw a draft away on a headcase.
I think Cutler is easily a top 10 QB in the league. You, apparently, do not. Cool. We'll find out eventually. The main point I was trying to make in my OP, though, was that it was extremely unprofessional of Kerry to speak out publicly against a player that the team is reported to be interested in bringing in. The Cutler debate has been done ad infinitum, and that was not really my intention in posting in this thread. Kerry needs to STFU in this case.
Just wow. Guess someone had to give it a try. It seems you are making wild assumptions here, then going to great lengths to defend them. Can you give me concrete examples of how Cutler is a "headcase"? I would also put forth that teams are lining up to pay good picks and/or players to get this guy that you have a vendetta against. What do you think KC's trade value is. The proof is in the pudding, and the actions of the league back up my argument.
I would say top five QB in this league and the stats will back it up. Many people called John Elway cocky and arrogant too, but in the end he is still in the HOF and we haven't been to the SB in 40 years. Cutler is more like Elway every year and when he is behind center he looks like him too.
He's a prima donna who seems to be all about himself, willing to throw teammates under the bus (Marshall, defense). Claims to have a much better arm than Elway ever had. He's a headcase. I don't know what you're talking about going to great lengths. To say that Cutler didn't end up in a good situation is BS because he did. Not saying he ended up on a good team, but a high-powered offense well suited to his best attribute (getting the ball downfield). I'm just saying Clemens has never really been given a shot. Neither has Ratliff. I see no reason to throw away multiple picks on Cutler when we don't know what's right in front of us. Everyone knows the girl next door is always better than the model.
Great to see that Rhodes and Woody aren't interested in winning. Based on their play last year, both are replaceable so their opinion should have zero bearing on Tanny's pursuit to get a starting-caliber QB.
Cutler may have a big arm, but lets not forget that he has shown ZERO leadership ability in Denver, he has a career losing record after two plus seasons as a starter and has yet to lead his team to the playoffs, how is that a top 10 QB in todays NFL? Manning Brady Big Ben McNabb Drew Brees Philip Rivers Carson Palmer Eli Manning Kurt Warner Tony Romo You would be foolish to consider Jay Cutler better than any of those QB's right there. I would say that Matt Ryan is a more talented QB after only one season with Atlanta...He showed leadership ability on a team that lacked offensive fire-power as a rookie...Something Cutler has yet to do. Cutler lacks HEART if you ask me.
Wooowwww...Just woowwwww... Please...NEVER say Cutlers name in the same sentance as Elway. Only thing they have in common is that they both played for the Broncos. Top 5 QB? Woowwww....Just woowwww... Manning Brady Big Ben McNabb Drew Brees Cutler and his Strong arm would be a career backup behind any one of those guys.
Exactly, because it's impossible to win without Mr. Cutler. Fuck the rest of our team, they can walk; as long as we can land Cutler we're gold. Based on what I've seen them do on the field, I'd rather have Aaron Rodgers than Jay Cutler too.
That's one example. Hardly enough evidence to build a (head)case. Peyton threw his teammates under the bus after a playoff loss too. Does that make him a headcase? Sure, any QB of Cutler's talent level that a team is willing to part with has to have his mentality questioned, but to state hard and fast that he is a headcase is just you exacerbating your own bias as far as I can see. And again, this thread is about Rhodes and his indiscretion. No thoughts on that?
I'll take every name on that list over Cutler with the exception of Carson Palmer and Tony Romo, who I think have always been overrated. Eli and Rivers have won me over with their ability to lead their teams. To me the rest are definitely better. I would take Matt Ryan over him. Looking at the list then, I might put him at #10, but I don't consider that being a must-have because I think there's around 6 or 7 guys right behind him. I'll call him a slightly above average NFL starting QB, hardly something to trade the farm for.
Is it just me or does this seem like the type of thing that gets talked about on the "America's game" series on Nfl network after a team wins an SB post trading for franchise QB? Just sayin... I don't go crazy on an opinion within this subject. W/ that said...It seems like there are a collection of Jet fans that wont be happy w/ ANY QB including a guy like Brady or P. Manning. It's not like we've gone 30+ years w/o a franchise QB or anything...We can afford to be fussy and wait for this "Perfect QB" that is non-existant to fall from the sky.
Even Flacco came in as a rookie, with no top-rated WR's and lead the Ravens to the playoffs as a rookie, something Cutler has yet to do in 2+ seasons with a much better offensive team than the Ravens had. We all know the Ravens have a great Defense but still...Cutler is what he is as of right now...A losing QB who wants out of Denver.
I don't approve of Rhodes voicing his opinion on it because it puts the coaching staff into a bind. If they want to do that to themselves (which they've already done by playing their hand of liking the QBs on their roster), then that's fine. Going after Cutler now looks hypocritical and messes with the locker room chemistry. Rhodes talking about it should have no bearing, but it does give us some perception of the locker room feel about him. I doubt he would go spouting his mouth off about it without first talking to teammates about it, so they probably at least somewhat shared his opinion. And that's not one example. Marshall was one incident. The D was another incident. The Elway thing was a third incident. How about the Rivers on-field incident? It has been widely documented that Cutler was the biggest instigator of that even though the cameras were on Rivers. Yes, headcase. I'll repeat, headcase. We don't need that bullshit on the field.
I don't mean this as a knock on Flacco, but Derrick Mason is one of the most underrated WRs in the league and without him Flacco would have looked a lot worse than he did.
So you admit he's top 10. There are 32 teams in the league. The value of one and a half or two first rounders is well worth it. I don't know where you get this "trading the farm" idea from. Another assumption?
I'd say he could be top 10, but I think he's way too close to a number of guys below him to say he's got that 10th spot solid. Being slightly above average at your position now warrants two first rounders??? That's a joke, right? And for every assumption I'm making, you're just making the opposite assumption. It's not like you have any hard facts here. We're all speculating, and no one knows what it would actually cost right now. I think it would cost more than people think, but if someone wanted two first rounders for that HEADCASE, I'd tell them to go f--- themselves.
Cutler is NOT a top 10 Quarterback. Sure he has a strong arm, but who cares? He doesnt have the heart out there on Sundays that REAL QB's show, he has shown ZERO leadership ability for the Broncos team, he doesnt make come from behind victroys, he has yet to lead a Broncos team with a solid O-Line and running game to the playoffs, he has a career losing record after two + seasons and he's not the smartest cookie in the jar... Please, tell me how this man is a top 10 QB...Explain, because I would like to know.
Is your sig really comparing Cutler to Favre in his prime? Cutler will probably never be an Elway, but he'll damn sure never be a Favre.
