we pretty much filled our defense holes we couldnt fill last year..if we trade any of them well be back right where we were last year..a hole in defense..and i dont want to hear about we just signed scott so were good...since we plugged in the 3-4 we havnt had two good ILB's together...+ we traded alot of picked to move up and get harris
On top of that, I just don't get why Jets should send the "good players" to get Cutler, if at all. If Jay ends up staying in Denver, tanking the season while ruining McDaniels' rookie season, that's their problem. That's the bottom line. And it IS a possibility, should no offer come in. This basically means Denver has absolutely NO leverage whatsoever - which is why Denver is basically boasting "We've got calls from 10 other teams." Other than the bidding war, Denver has absolutely NOTHING going in their favor. Now, let the OTHER team overpay for Cutler. Jets shouldn't.
You have the right idea, but you're throwing the wrong numbers around. Nobody's talking about cutting either player. In a trade, we'd still get hit for a bit under $10 million on either Rhodes or Revis. Either way, it's something that most posters, myself included, failed to consider. Denver wouldn't want to trade for Revis anyway. He has already earned the option to void his contract after 2010, and is unable to be franchised. He'd be able to head where he chose after just 2 seasons there. As far as Harris, while I still say it would be a mistake to trade a guy who plays at one of the two most important positions in the 3-4...leaving us with no one to start in his place...he'd only hit us for about $1.1 million in a trade.
Because you have to give up talent to get a pro bowl QB. It doesn't take much to realize that. They have leverage because they do have teams wanting his services and they may not start a total bidding war until there are two teams left to get after him. Denver has something in their favor, not nothing. And what's overpaying? Shitting all over Denver and not an equal trade? I feel like any equal trade in the eyes of the NFL is a terrible trade where the Jets got shit all over in the eyes of jets fans.
How about none of the above. Revis is untouchable and Rhodes and Harris are just off that class as well. Those are our young core players on defense. Personally I don't want Cutler unless he came with an unbelievably low trade value..
1. With all due respect, he did jack shit even with that Pro-Bowl performance. As it stands right now, his career W-L record is less than stellar - which even the lowly Michael Vick could achieve after the same amount of playing time. He couldn't guide his team to the playoffs, much less playoff win. Currently, Vick has two playoff wins to show for. Vick had better team around? That's exactly the same logic I am trying to present; Jets QB, whoever he ends up being, will be able to do just that, even if he may not be Cutler. 2. A Pro Bowl QB - ok, I'm willing to give you that one - that wants out of Denver. Leverage? Denver has got none. Like I said, if Cutler ends up staying in Denver, that's their problem. This means simply that, you have no reason to offer a commodity of equal value to get Cutler. This is because if Cutler ends up staying, that's a no-no for Denver, meaning they have to move Cutler at all cost. Think of it as a firesale. Do you ever get the full worth of whatever you sell? *If you can, maybe you shouldn't be posting here - US Gov't has a better job for you, with all those bad assets.* This is exactly why Denver wants more teams getting involved - with the hope that some team may overpay. 3. Cutler, as prolific as he has been under Shanahan's guidance, is an unknown commodity under Schottenheimer's system. That immediately depreciates his value. On the other hand, the three defensive players have been with the team for a few years, has built nice camaraderie around, and are ready to play. If you have to trade that unproven commodity for a proven one, aren't you getting the short end of the stick? Moreover, if market is doing its job, Cutler's price will settle down at a certain range - I just don't see that "proper price" would be on the level of day 1 pick or a young defensive player with a lot of promise ahead. Consider this; if the defensive players doesn't get moved, so what? It's not even like those players want out of the team. They are all excited to play for the team. On the other hand, Cutler is lost to Broncos, and Cutler wants out. They are two different situations.
I think you are severely underestimating how many teams want in on the Cutler action. The Jets are probably bidding against Tampa, Minnesota, Washington, Chicago, San Francisco and maybe even Cleveland. If the Jets don't want to part with anything of value then it'll be fine by Denver--all they need to do is create the perception that somebody will, and other teams will up their offers and they'll get a good return.
Here's what I find amusing. Probably the same people that think Revis is untouchable, are probably the same people that think Cutler is acting like a crybaby and whiner throughout this whole Broncos ordeal. I thought no one is safe in this business? Anybody care to explain why a QB who led the 2nd best offense in the league is fair-game in trade talks? But a CB in a 29th ranked pass defense is not? I'm just thinking out loud here. Personally, I'd be opposed to trading Revis. Why? I don't know.
For me, it's a value upgrade issue. We know we don't have the requisite talent behind Revis to make the deal. We don't know how much of an upgrade we're getting with Cutler because we don't really know what we have at QB. I'm personally opposed to trading any of our defenders because of my perceived value upgrade with Cutler. I do think either Clemens or Ratliff will step up and be at least an average to good starter. However, I'd give up the uncertainty of two draft picks for the certainty of a franchise QB. When it comes to our defenders, though, I don't think any of the the three + draft picks adds up to the same value. That's my opinion, though. If I didn't have some sense of faith in our QBs, I'd probably be willing to lose a defender.
I suppose I can agree with this. But I'm bored so I'm gonna try to make a case for why we should or could part ways with Revis for Cutler. The only problem I have is we've had to spend a lot of money to get the talent behind Revis to succeed and we're not done yet. We've added a Safety, LB, NT, CB, and we're still supposedly looking for an pass rushing OLB, a serviceable NT to rotate in for Jenkins and a DE that can play the run as well as collapse the pocket. It just seems like an awful lot to put around one CB in order for the entire defense to succeed. Whereas with Cutler, he had no RB to rely on, and had to go out there and try to outscore every opponent week in and week out. If he led the Broncos to an 8-8 season, and offense is just one half of the game...well, you can imagine what he could probably achieve when the other half is there.
