Well, they finished the 2008 season with him on the roster. I don't know if they have discarded him since that time. Selvin Young got the heave-ho on Thursday. Ryan Torain is another back on their roster.
Yeah, I was talking about the 2009 Broncos, so I was only talking about the guys who are on the team now. My point was they are good enough on offense without Cutler.
I think they did OK. Remember that is not exactly the black and blue division out there. You'd better be able to score. I thought he made a mistake with the D Coordinator hire though.
I suspect they only drafted Knowshon so early to try and make sure next year's offense compares well to last years offense statistically so they don't have to hear any crap about losing Cutler. Not the best reason for drafting someone, but I like the Knowshon pick anyway and I like the Alphonso Smith pick. They will never make losing Cutler look good and if the defensive talent they passed on, like the USC LBers become stars not drafting them will look McDumb.
I'm thinking hes done halfway through....can we get vbookie on this ?? 1 Sep 13 DEN @ CIN - loss 2 Sep 20 CLE @ DEN - win 3 Sep 27 DEN @ OAK - loss 4 Oct 04 DAL @ DEN - loss 5 Oct 11 NE @ DEN - loss 6 Oct 19 DEN @ SD - loss 7 Bye - McBye-Bye 8 Nov 01 DEN @ BAL - New Coach >>> 9 Nov 09 PIT @ DEN - 10 Nov 15 DEN @ WAS - 11 Nov 22 SD @ DEN - 12 Nov 26 NYG @ DEN - 13 Dec 06 DEN @ KC - 14 Dec 13 DEN @ IND - 15 Dec 20 OAK @ DEN 16 Dec 27 DEN @ PHI 17 Jan 03 KC @ DEN
I agree, but if they would still have Cutler, this would be one of the best Offenses in the league, now they're "good enough"
I'm all for giving coaches/young players time to develop..and am always critical of the "What have you done for me lately" barrage that haunts modern day sports and specifically football. But when you trade away a potential top 5 QB just entering his prime, and don't appear completely confident or educated on that decision...and there are the locker room rumblings that have been swirling in Denver ever since...you are on a VERY short leash. Mcdaniels may not have been over his head when he first came to denver...and he may very well have a good grip on things. But the way the Cutler situation went, and frankly the trading up for Alfonso Smith...he DOESNT appear to know what he's doing...and if he doesnt win early, there's nothing he can do to change that perception. After year 1, that could be his doom.
I still don't understand how he let the Cassel stuff get out into the open with no backup plan if the deal fell through. He had to know that Pioli was in the hunt too and he had to know that Pioli was going to get Cassel unless the Broncos blew New England away with their offer. In that situation you either take a big enough package to New England that they can't say no, and then deal Cutler afterwards, or you just keep quiet until Pioli has had his shot and sweep up the crumbs afterwards if the Cassel deal doesn't get done. I agree with the other posters who say that McDaniels is a short-timer at this point. He totally fumbled the QB opportunities he had and that's almost the whole ballgame for a new coach, especially one on the offensive side of the ball.
Yeah, you're right. I don't think anyone disputes that getting Cassel(who the HC knows and whom fits the system) and than turning around and trading Cutler for a likely first rounder, would've improved the team. But if you're going to heavily pursue sucha move, you better make sure you get it done or make sure it doesnt get leaked to the media. Cutler was the emotional leader and face of that team. The media had a field day on it, as anything like that involving a QB gets magnified 1000 times. Now the "Face" of the team is Mcdaniels w/ a hammer closing on Cutler's mugshot. He's gonna live or die year one w/ that proclamation.
The word came out of Tampa and Detroit that they were willing to get Cassel for the Broncos if Cutler was available. When the Broncos decided to explore this (48 hrs after the Pats went around the league and were told by every team except KC was not interested) it was too late. The Pats weren't going to hold up a sure deal for a deal with too many moving parts that may not come together. In the end, I don't know that Cassel is going to be much better than Orton. So if Cassel was a decent move, then the one they made with the Bears is better than they would have gotten for Cassel. Only time will tell, but Cutler reminds me of a young Bledsoe, all talent no head. Yes he makes some great plays, but he also makes huge mistakes at bad times.
So McDaniels allowed other teams to set the agenda for the Broncos and then got caught in the switches when they couldn't pull off the deal? Seriously, having a Pro Bowl QB exit town a month and a half after you got the job because you got caught in the switches is a firing offense in my opinion. I don't even like Cutler as a QB and I think this was a horrendous sequence for McDaniels to be at the epicenter of right after taking the job. Every Denver QB for the next decade is going to get measured against not only what Cutler does, but what he might have done if he stayed in Denver. Pat Bowlen is losing it.
Oakland? Cincinnati??, if they had that little faith in that coach they wouldn't of had given up Cutler
i can see them keeping McDaniels and him losing all the way through to the Giants with the lack of offense and now no playmaking strong armed QB to get the ball to Marshall and Royal... Marshall might even go off the deep end now that his friend and QB is off the team. Good job managing the head case Josh. They will have a bit of a running game with Moreno, but not much. This team will be picking early next year.
I can't see them losing to cinci, I doubt they lose to OAkland, or CLE, I think they could easily start 3-0 and finish something like 6-10 maybe 7-9. That doesn't get him fired. in fact he'd have to win less than 3 games to get fired I think, though I doubt he goes under any circumstances, as Bowlen has to give him 2 years minimum to justify the semi rebuilding.
You guys are overrating Cutler a bit now, with the receivers they have they will still put up decent numbers, and there is no way that their running game won't improve from the disaster last year, the main question is whether their defense will hold them back again.
how do you knwo he is going to improve that. I know he'll want t improve that, but so did Shanny, but wanting to do something doesn't mean actually accomplishing that.
I think they've already made progress on STs just with the draft and signings, Bruton is a great gunner, and Smith should be one of the return men and do a solid job. McBath should make a ST impact as well. I honestly think the Broncos are going to be pretty decent this year, if they didn't have such a tough schedule I'd say .500 at least, as is I think 6-10 or 7-9.
