You heard it hear first. The Jets have too many needs for this one player to fix. He is going to cost too much to trade up and get. IF we trade our 2 #1s plus a 2nd or 3rd, you are basically trading our #4, John Abraham and a 2/3 for Bush. He simply isn't worth it. He is a guy that only touches the ball 15+ times a game. That includes runs, passes, kicks and punts. You certainly aren't going to risk him returning kicks and punts, so where are you going to get the touches? You can't run him inside...that is what Lendale White did at USC. If he was such a great inside runner, where was he on the field for 4 & 1 against Texas??? You can run him to the outside, but his speed advanatage won't be as great at the pro level. Plus he won't have the advantage of running behind the great USC o-line. Catches??? Great, but you can't protect your QB anyway, so what good is that? IF the Jets pick Bush it is a luxary pick they can neither afford (in draft picks) nor use given their current state. The Jets need alot of bodies and one player simply isn't worth the cost. History shows that 1st rd RB very rarely live upto their draft status. They career expectancy is only about 5 years. You don't trade up for a guy and give that much up for that much risk. IF the Jets FO does, they are no different than Boobway and Herm. Hopefully the Parcells and Belichicken parts of TANGINI will kick in and they will do the right thing and either draft Ferguson or trade down.
15 times a game? try 25- 30...and if you are going with the touches argument then a QB should be the choice. Bush would probably be our best wideout too. I agree they shouldn't give up too much but for the right price it would be a great move.
You make excellent points,but a talent like this cannot be passed up. With Martin well on the downside,we need a future RB,and we haven't seen this kinda talent in years. BTW,LMAO at your sig:rofl: Thats great
15 touches a game? I wouldn't want him to carry 30+ all the time, but he can carry the load imo. 20+ carries a game. Might not return kicks but is a threat out of the backfield receiving and can line up at receiver and catch passes. USC had the luxury of having 2 of the best backs in the country on their team.
Oh get the heck outta here. That's a problem with the Jets. Alot of their fans don't know what they are talking about and love mediocre quantity over star quality. This is the biggest no brainer ever for them.
I want to put my name down now as against Reggie Bush at less they can steal the pick from the Saint. That means not give up both your number ones.
Don't get me wrong. I totally agree with your point. Giving up that many picks is just insane. However, you're off on the 15 touches a game example. The main reason he only got that many touches is b/c USC always blew out their opponents. Believe me, Reggie's endurance is not a problem. He did get 20+ carries in all the close games (i.e. Notre Dame). Plus don't forget they had set plays for him and Lendale White. Just b/c u see him going to the sideline doesn't mean he was tired. The particular play was just designed for Lendale.
Bush scares the hell out of me because I know that he can bust just as easily as he can come as advertised, probably much easier. We aren't in the position to be spending half of our rebuilding draft picks on a single superstar player. We just gutted our starting roster. We badly need depth in a few different key squads. We're not going to do all of that with low draft picks and some FAs. That would be the beginning of a failed rebuilding process, IMO.
I agree wholeheartedly. My only hope is that the Jets have planned and thought about this scenario and are approaching it without the hysteria seen on this board. It would be great having him, but not if it destroys the foundation of your draft - OJ Simpson was one of the greatest backs that won diddly. As you have pointed out - the Jets have too many needs that cannot be invested in one player who could be a bust or disappear with an injury.
I think I'd chance it for the 2 number 1's and THE 3...NOT the 2. I don't like the idea of giving up 2 number 1's AND the 2 for Bush, I know I maybe in the minority, but with the talent in THIS draft I think i'd sit at 4 and take the next best player available there. Possibly too conservative a move to just sit there, but its just a gut feeling.
I know what you are saying about the touches issue. But wouldn't you want your best player, Heisman tropy winning running back with the ball for the most critical play of the entire year? That being said, its not that I don't like Reggie Bush. I just don't think the Jets should give up that much to move up 2 spots for a RB. RBs can be found throughout any draft in any round. If the Jets were just a RB away...heck go for it. But we have way to many holes to throwing away draft picks on a luxary we can't even block for. Additionally, 2 #1s and #3 is too much to move up that far. The Saints will need to send back another pick or picks if this deal is to happen. If you go by the standard chart that everyone knocks but uses in their mocks... #2 overall = 2600 pts #4, # 29 and #71 = 1800 + 640 + 235 = 2675 pts Figure that the Saints will send a 4th rd pick or lower combos to make it happen. I am assuming they will not want to go lower than a top 5-7 pick. The Jets are basically the only team with enough firepower to make that happen unless the 49ers get involved.
This is by far the best Reggie Bush thread yet. I'm not saying he'll end up as Blair Thomas, but people need to remember there's never a sure thing in the draft. I can't say that I'd be pissed if the Jets traded up, but I just hope they don't end up giving away practically all our day 1 picks.
I agree with both of you--I would NOT package draft picks for Bush. I WOULD trade the #4 AND some players that don't fit our system (Robertson, Blaylock, etc) for Bush, but then there are cap issues. But I would not make a DIMWIT DUMBWAY trade like Terry did for Robertson and trade 2 number 1s and a number 4 for anybody--no wonder we were in the basement last year.
First off we won't have to give up that much if the Saints want D'Brick, secondly he can run the ball 20-25 times a game, and will get 5 passes a game, if he is only getting 15 touches a game, Tangini would fail with any player we get whether we do trade up or not, and with a weapon like that it helps the QB out by giving him something to aim for and it will allow him to get the ball out sooner, and with all the attention that could go to Bush, it will only help our receivers
