Cotchery would never slip to #3, period. He is an excellent possession receiver. Marshall's attitude, drops and the price to deal for him are probably balanced out by his abilities but I don't think a "playmaking" wr is essential to our success. That being said, I'd be more than happy to see some deal made.
I am watching KC vs Min on the NFL network now. Bowe seems to be similiar to Cotchery and would in no way supplant Cotchery. Cotchery is better in my opinion, way better. Mashall on the other hand would not only be # 1 WR but would make Cotchery and our other WRs better,much better. We need Marshall and we need him now.He is a bad ass, he is the real deal. If we don't get him, he just may get us by being in our division, signed by a rival. Food for thought
That is the worst reason in the universe for a team to make a decision. I do believe that Marshall would be a great addition to the Jets, never ever ever should I want my team to make a move to prevent divisional opponent from acquiring a player, especially when it is likely to involve multiple draft picks at this point. Remember that the Jets moved up so high for D-rob? The pats were rumored to be moving up to take him, it is also rumored that if the Jets didnt select Gholston at #6, the Pats were going to take him at #7. So in part we took Gholston because we needed a 3-4 OLB, but also to prevent the Pats from having him.
The offer which would get us Marshall: Give up a garranteed third round draft pick with an additional pick which could be excalated to a 2nd round. Worst case senario we give up 2nd & 3rd round picks if we make it to the playoffs, he gets 1,000 yards and he is selected to the probowl this season. This is better than a 1st which some would be willing to give up. If he is a bust the most we lose is a third. The excalated pick could also be contingent on if we resign him before March 1st, similar to how we got screwed for Vilma.
It is a nice thought, but I doubt that kind of deal gets it done. I would be shocked if Marshall is moved for much less then the 1st and third and 5th Roy Williams got last year. It will be a 1st or 1st + a little for him.
Right now he is riding the pine, the ball is in our court. Unlike Bowe who is tearing it up in preseason.
Two observations: 1) We need to build some depth, and you do that with your 2,3,4,5 rd picks 2) How can Marshall be a bust? He's proved he can be an excellent player! The only reason I would think twice before giving up our first is that it may be a high first round pick... like in the top 15. Also you'd have to include a WR in the deal and the only one we have that has any trade vallue is Cotchery. Would you be willing to give Cotchery and a lower rd pick (conditional 6 to 4 round)? I would.
The player is squarely in Denver's court. They have the right to accept or refuse any offer. We are not the only receiver hungry team in the NFL. If picks less than a 1st would do it a bunch of teams, including the one that has his old QB, would look to jump into the frey. He's young, physical, and able to make a play after the catch. He will not get moved on the cheap side.
nyjetsrule the only problem i have with your theory is that you are talking about the draft and unproven players. If we get Marshall for draft picks we will have a proven beast and will solidify a coup. We need him. Do you wish to play against him along with TO,Moss... thats allready 4 games out the box and if the fish get him thats 6 make or break games period. 6 games every year....WOW!
yea you watched Dwayne Bowe in 1 preseason game. so your scouting report is phenomonal. itd just make more sense for you to say I think Marshall is better. Dwayne Bowe is actually bigger and faster than Cotchery. the only traits they have in common is they both fight for the ball in the air and are tough after the catch. i dont see why having two WR's like this would be a problem. and Bowe being our number 2 would be great. just because we dont trade for someone to supplant Cotchery instantly doesnt mean itd be a waste. Bowe is already proven better than anyone on this roster not named Cotchery. within 1 yr of play. Does anyone realize Bowe had over 1000 yds last year on the fucking Chiefs. the team that just handed a boatload to Cassel cause thats how confident they were about their QB position last year. I think alot of people forget to give Shanahan any credit for Marshall or Cutler, and nobody has seen either of them play without the guy. Granted theyre obviously talented but we will see. Marshall is obviously a top WR in the league but its easy to put up those numbers when your QB has over 500 attempts. id be happy to have either one but I dont agree that Bowe is exactly like Cotchery. and Marshall's talent aside, he is a liability under Gooddell's reign. not a reason to not sign the guy but something to weigh in on. i dont think any trade will happen but it is Tannenbaum. so anythings possible. I did notice that NFL Network reported "Brandon Marshall is not travelling with team to SEA for game tonight"
Oh no I am just telling you we should never make a move just to prevent a division opponent from getting a player. I still agree we certainly could use Marshall, and I think he would make our team far better than we are now. However, need is a very strong word, and I do not think we need Marshall, he would be a great luxury and very instramental in the development of Sanchez.
I agreed with most of your post except the fact that the bigger faster Bowe would be #2 behind Cotchery. Any guy we bring in like Bowe or Marshall will be the #1. And they might cost us a #1 to get.
The question is what would we have to give up? Its not worth mortgaging the future for 1 player. Does anybody really think that a WR is going to be the difference for the Jets being in the AFC championship game or not this season? I would prefer to have this team build strength and depth than to go throwing away draft picks for 1 disgruntled primma donna.
the question is are we giving up a pick or multiple picks? If it's only one draft pick, its pretty obvious we are going to be drafting a WR next year at some point anyways. so why not trade a single dp to get a proven guy at age 25 than one unproven WR at age 23? to me it would be a no brainer, if its only one pick that is acceptable, you make the move.
John Clayton just said if someone would offer a 1st and 4th round pick they would deal Marshall. So would you give up a 1st and a 4th?
No, it's not really close. And it won't get it done. That said, I think I'd give up a first. I don't know about the 4th as well, but I'd trade a first and maybe a future pick or something.
