State of the QB controversy

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  1. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    Yes it is the point. Teams that have a starter already named have the starter taking all of the 1st team snaps in practice and in preseason games. The predetermined backup gets the 2nd team snaps.

    This is pretty basic stuff here.
     
  2. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Just as long as you aren't surprised when Sanchez gets the nod no matter who may look better.
     
  3. MSUJet85

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    This isn't even mentioning that half of our starting oline was out very quickly, he had pressure in his face the entire time
     
  4. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I am 100% certain that Sanchez wasn't the predetermined starter. There is no way in hell Rex would waste all these 1st team reps if that were the case. There is nothing to gain from it and a lot to lose.

    I won't be surprised whoever is named the starter at this point.
     
  5. Jersey Joe 67

    Jersey Joe 67 Well-Known Member

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    This year is a learning year. This team will have major growing pains.
    We are going to see Sanchez make some plays that are going to make us say we have our QB of the future and some that are going to make us question that.
    In the end though i think we will like what we see in Sanchez and hopfully next season add a few more pieces to the puzzle and make a run for a championship.
     
  6. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    And I am 100% sure that this has never been a competition in the true sense of the word.
     
  7. Italian Seafood

    Italian Seafood New Member

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    Fans always say that when their guy doesn't win. We always heard that about Chad, too, from the haters.
     
  8. abyzmul

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    There's always integrity of your word to the team that you are leading in your first season as HC. Not that I agree with Don. But after seeing some of the play selection and personnel packages given to Clemens and Sanchez in their first 2 outings, I have to wonder.

    Clemens got Thomas Jones, the relentless cutback runner for most of his time with the 1's last week. Sanchez got the lightning fast home-run threat in Leon Washington this week. The argument is not completely without merit, even if it's coming from Don.
     
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  9. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Uh..my guy is Sanchez if I had to pick a guy. I have said for two years that Clemens will never be the Jets starting QB again. Which isn't to say he might not start a couple of games if Sanchez isn't ready, but it is ridiculous to think he has any chance to actually win this job.
     
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  10. discostu570

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    Well I agree, I never expected him to come out and look like Tom Brady from the start. But I do expect him to be a little bit ahead of the rookie curve if hes going to be the starter on day one, as was the case with Flacco and Ryan last year. The whole fantasy this team has been living under is, Flacco and Ryan came in and played great ball as rookies, so ipso facto, our rookie will too. Based on what I saw yesterday, he's gonna look more like a Peyton Manning season one than a Matt Ryan season one. And its not that I malign Sanchez for that, I like his potential a lot. But if youre expecting him to struggle, why would you want to rush him onto the field when the rest of this team is by all appearances poised for a playoff run. Theres no reason not to sit him on the bench and give Clemens a chance to run with the job, if he stinks it up you can give Sanchez a shot, but I personally expect fewer errors coming out of Clemens than Sanchez, and with this run game and defense, fewer errors from the QB goes a long way.

    And by the way, I totally don't understand how everybody says Sanchez did such a great job bouncing back from a horrible start. Its true that he didnt continue to throw into defender's hands every play for the rest of the game, and in that sense he did improve, but I wouldn't say he was playing great ball by any means, the screen pass was well executed but wasn't exactly a demanding play on Sanchez's part, and other than that and the TD he didn't do jack. And I know nobody ever wants to dissect a scoring play, but the throw to Leon in the endzone was far from ideal, that ball should have been put over the top towards the corner of the endzone where only Leon would have had a chance at it, if that LB in coverage was somebody with a bit more ability in pass defense, they would have had an easy opportunity to make a play on that ball. Clemens TD wasn't perfect either, that ball should have been more out in front of Clowney, but I guess it makes sense that it takes some adjustment to know how to overthrow somebody as fast as Clowney. Anyway, he completed fewer than 50% of his passes and had one nice play down the field, don't tell me he deserves to start because after the most horrendous start imaginable, he bounced back to mediocrity.
     
  11. Section 227. Row 5

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    Excellent point, man.
     
  12. discostu570

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    How has Rex Ryan ever struck you as a guy who would prefer to play a high draft pick if somebody else gives him a better chance to win? The two defensive starters he brought to town with him are undrafted guys he molded into winning players, he has as good a track record as anybody for developing that sort of player, and most importantly, he doesn't strike me as a guy who gives a shit about anything other than winning football games. Maybe Tannenbaum wants to start the young hispanic guy for marketing purposes, but Ryan's making the call, and the only thing he's going to be thinking about when he does is, whos going to take us to the playoffs. Maybe he thinks its Sanchez, maybe he thinks its Clemens, but its ridiculous to think that this guy made up his mind before he saw either guy play.
     
  13. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure I follow you. I'm guessing you're referring way back when Rex said he was happy with there QB's prior to drafting Sanchez? Are you suggesting that in order to make people feel good about his words he's orchestrated a faux competition designed to make Sanchez look good and Clemens bad?

    I think Rex Ryan is concerned more with winning then whether people are going to question something he said prior to the draft. In fact, what he said was clearly shown as complete bullshit the second they traded away one of those QB's he was happy with along with a few other role players and draft picks to get another QB. This is a guy that obviously doesn't give a shit if people have a problem with what he says.

    I don't think I get where you're coming from here.
     
  14. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Sadly I don't think Ryan or any coach for that matter makes all of the football decisions. In the case of the Jets I know that for a fact because I have heard Johnson say numerous times that ALL personnel decisions are made by Tannenbaum.
     
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    Personnel decisions is the roster, not the depth chart. Coaches decide who plays.
     
  16. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    Without any context around that, it's sounds like Woody was referring to who gets drafted and what free agents are picked up. I highly doubt he has any say at all in who starts.
     
  17. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    No, I didn't mean to imply that. I do mean that any cuts or additions won't be made without Tannenbaum's ok. That in itself is significant as it indirectly does decide who will play. This came up several times when the whole Favre thing was still in play and of course Tannenbaum is listening to Johnson. It is still a business number one. don't lose sight of that and how that dictates certain decisions.
     
  18. supersonic

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    Good post. I agree with the QB analysis. Clemmens despite not playing against all the starters looked a good deal more composed. And I am not a Clemmens fan.
     
  19. LordFavre

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    I'm pretty confident that Clemens will be the starter. Sanchez doesn't seem to have what it takes yet to compete on the NFL level.
     
  20. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    OK - I have no problem with that. But again, if the decision on who the starter is was made in April there would be no reason to share snaps or have a competition.
     

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