IDK why he gets so much hate. He's not Shone Greene who gets hurt clipping his fingernails. He's not Leon, who btw DID NOT FIND THE ENDZONE. TJ did. If Shotty ran the ball smartly TJ would be the player he was last year. Everyone hates this guy but the box score says he scored a TD, I guess that is what matters. Let love rule!!!
The first rule when evaluating TJ is to take away his good plays. So let's not talk about the TD. Shonn Greene >>> TJ because of 4 career carries.
It's clear you're a noob. With that said, Jones was running better yesterday than the previous 3 games, just not that much better. I do agree Schotty needs to be smarter with the play calling. The passing on 3rd and 1 is completely unacceptable.
My name is some noob for a reason. I see to the heart of the matter. Greene LIMPED off, TJ was a horse. Sho Nuff said.. Abyzmul I know I saw that thread after i made this one. I asked the mods to incorporate this one into that one.
You called me out, now it's my turn. You're a master of exaggeration. First, taking away TJ's good plays involved 2 garbage time sprints when he was otherwise completely ineffective before yesterday. Yesterday he at least ran on par with Washington which I'll give him credit for. His TD yesterday was actually an important one so there is no taking that away. Second, nobody is claiming that Greene is better than Jones YET, just looking to see if he can provide a spark to an otherwise dismal running game (which includes Washington). Further, attacking Greene for only having 4 carries is fairly lame. He was looking good but unfortunately got hurt. So that's a fail for Greene. The issue right now is a little bit of everything... playcalling... running... blocking... lack of a threat at receiver... Bottom line, the offense needs to improve.
Thomas Jones LIMPED off the field enough times in the first couple of years of his career to be labeled with the 'Injury-prone' tag. Some backs take a year or two to adjust to the violence of the pro game. I think it's a good thing that Greene will be able to learn from TJ the ways to stay healthy as a pro runningback. Hopefully one of those ways isn't avoiding contact.
I don't care how you classify it, garbage time or not, he found the endzone. he scored points for the team. Every players has good plays and bad ones. I am trying to keep a balance, I am trying to put things into perspective. He was looking good but unfortunately got hurt. So that's a fail for Greene. He is fragile, he gets hurt when he looks at his own shadow. Since we got him hes always hurt in some way. He is not dependable, TJ is. Until Greene can man up and suck up the pain, TJ is the man. I'm sure Greene has a huge upside, he just needs to toughen up. IMHO of course, I meant no disrespect to anyone.
That post was (I thought obviously) half tongue and cheek. One of Jones' best attributes is that he's durable. I crack on Greene because he has gone off the field limping it seems like every time he stepped on it (since TC). Greene looked real good on his 4 carries but he's completely useless to us when inactive. There have been plenty of comments already suggesting Greene is better because of how he looked in 4 carries. On one hand you acknowledge that part of the problem is blocking and play calling and on the other you put all the blame on Jones when he gets stuffed. I saw some pretty good holes opened up in the running game yesterday - more so than the last couple of games. I also noticed the Saints didn't stack the box nearly as much as our previous 3 opponents. Jones is what he is, he was never an LT or AP type back, he's a consistent, durable guy that you can count on over the course of the season. He's not going to make a lot out of nothing.
I agree with what you say 100%. TJ needs to teach Greene how to run smartly. Next year will be Greene's year. This year he needs to learn.
So you're judging Greene based off 1 preseason and 4 weeks of regular season? You sure do have some very intimate knowledge about these players.
I was actually thinking less about running style than the off-the-field ways, certain types of workouts, ways he rehabs after games, when to stay away from cortizone shots, etc.
Yes because that is all he has shown so far. He is a rook, his college play means nothing in the NFL. (What have you done for me lately ya know) Next year he will be better, I know it. Right now he needs to learn how to take the blows.
Bottom line is the offensive line needs to do better run blocking as well as pass protection. When Sanchez is having the type of game he had yesterday Adrian Peterson would have a tough time finding yards.
Willis MaGahee also used to get hurt alot early on and look at him now. Greene will be fine. What should be more worrisome to the offense is Jones' skipping and hopping before he hits the line. Jones looks like he's on 'dancing with the stars" most times out there and after the obligatory 3yd plunge and a cloud of dust, he trots off the field. That just ain't good enuf.
Nothing but love for ya WSW. Last year when I was arguing with Abyzmul I saw a clear problem with the offensive line play vs Jones running that led me to believe a major improvement was imminent... and then Jones went on to become the leading rusher in the AFC. This year watching the games I don't get the same feeling. Jones looks noticeably worse... he's not attacking the LOS the way he did, he's going down on first contact, and he's frequently running into the pile rather than making a cut or move. With our offensive line, he SHOULD be able to succeed... and though I think Jones isn't alone in the blame, he definitely should shoulder a large portion of blame for what he's doing once he gets the ball. So far the offense hasn't been able to rely on the running game without tricks and gadgetry... and that's just not going to cut it with a rookie QB and a shit WR group.
In the what have you done for me lately category, Thomas Jones comes up short. Your argument is predicated that he has proven himself in the past.
Once again I can't be critical of TJ. He was chomping off 4 yards at a time from the 3rd on. The play calls were just bad.
TJ is like a No. 3 or 4 pitcher on a baseball team. He's not great, but at the end of the day the team needs someone who can pitch 200 innings other than the guys who are really good. It's to bad that Green who might be really good doesn't seem to be able to stay on the field.
