2009 ALCS- Angels vs Yankees

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  1. EnigmatiC

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    I love you my fellow Jets fans but for all of you picking the Angels please! the Yanks are not losing this series. this is a team of destiny in case you haven't been watching the season (you probably haven't b/c you're most likely a Mets fan). there has been something almost magical going on in the Bronx this year and the way we have been playing since the All-Star break it is going to be extremely hard for any team to beat us in a 7 game series.
     
  2. Don

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    In other words Cashman is a complete fuckin idiot. I know you needed a little help with the wording here.
     
  3. JetsVilma28

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    I like your style.
     
  4. Cappy

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    I really don't understand the Swisher hate, short of him not having a True Yankee Attitude™ or something. I mean, what's frustrating about him at the plate, especially when compared to Abreu? He doesn't strike out significantly more than Abreu did with the Yanks, he gets on base at a good clip. He hits for more power. He sees just as many pitches as Abreu did. He swings and misses just as much as Abreu did. He actually takes fewer strikes than Abreu did. In other words, if it's a strike, he'll swing more often than Bobby did, and his contact rate is basically the same. He also racked up 82 RBI despite hitting sixth, seventh or eighth in the lineup for 2/3 of the games he played in (and hitting second for most of the rest).

    Aside from being goofier, I don't understand it.



    ETA: I know you're going to think I'm... whatever... arguing with you or something... but I'm not. I'm just looking for some understanding here.
     
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  5. Yisman

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    Yeah, most of the people posting in the Yankees threads are definitely Mets fans.

    Who the hell are you, anyway?

    So nice of you to wait until today to declare that you're a huge Yankees fan.
     
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  6. AlioTheFool

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    Destiny has nothing to do with this. This team is just ridiculously talented, top-to-bottom.

    There are Mets fans in here, but even they aren't really saying the Angels are going to beat us.

    Hahaha, well played there Don, so I won't argue with you. This time. :beer:

    Obviously I wrote that before the Miami game, so it still stings a bit. I'm still riding the wave though!

    No. You're just trying to provoke. It's transparent. And it's tired.

    But I'll answer your question, simply because why the **** not.

    Yeah, Swisher is goofy asswipe. It's not about "true Yankee" shit, though. Yankees are expected to carry themselves with class. It's part of the job, just like the facial hair rules. Don't like it? Don't play here.

    Also, I don't give a flying rat's ass how many pitches Swisher looks at before he strikes out. It's his hitting with RISP compared to Abreu that drives me completely insane. I don't want to hear "Oh he hits lower in the lineup than Abreu" because there's a damned good reason for that.

    With RISP this year:

    Abreu: .354 AVG (56/158), 2HR, 13 2B, 82 RBI, .922 OPS (.448, .475), 34 BB, 28 Ks.

    Swisher: .227 AVG (27/119), 3HR, 5 2B, 48 RBI, .741 OPS (.380, .361), 33 BB, 27 Ks.

    Abreu's OPS+ against the league with RISP: 144. Swisher's? 96.

    Swisher comes up small in the clutch by comparison. Significantly smaller.
     
  7. Cappy

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    No, I'm not. I'm really just asking a question and looking for more understanding about why other people think what they do. In fact, as I've said, that's what I do in most baseball discussions.

    But if you think I'm trying to "provoke" you, it certainly explains your attitude toward me.

    *shrugs*

    It's not about the True Yankee shit, but you expect him to carry himself with class? It seems like it does bother you a bit.

    Well, you called him Mr. Swingandamiss or whatever, so I thought you had an issue with his contact rate, or that that was the source of your frustration.

    Why would I say that? Lineup slot shouldn't have any affect on average with RISP. It'd just affect the number of opportunities.

    So it's a clutch thing. Okay.

    Personally, I still don't get why there's quite so much hate. He's not awful. I'd expect more hate for Cano, if clutch performance is your beef with Swisher. I mean Cano was truly awful with RISP. Swisher was just league average. But I don't see you coming up with names for Cano, or bashing him all the time.

    *shrugs*

    That's why I figured it was more about the goofiness.
     
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  8. AlioTheFool

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    The goofiness definitely makes it a strike against him, but doesn't allieviate Cano's look of laziness so often. The difference being, Cano's sort of earned himself a pass from me this year because he's shown effort to work to improve. You may not recall, but I tore into Cano all last year.

    Anyway, with Swisher, it's the combination of the goofiness (which does bother me, I don't deny it) and the lack of competence when hitting with RISP (which I've pointed out before and we've argued about.)

    As for the arguing, I don't like arguing with you. Hell, I don't like arguing with anyone. I just have no problem doing so when I feel provoked. Your last post wasn't snarky, so mine isn't either. I'd definitely rather discuss things rationally.

    As far as the Mr. Swingannamiss thing, I'm loaded to the brim with sarcasm. It doesn't mean it necessarily correllates to a specific thing. My son and I jokingly guess every time Swisher comes to bat on how many pitches he's going to get before he strikes out.

    On the subject of "True Yankee" though, yes, I expect Yankee players to conduct themselves professionally. It's the same expectation that has been put on the team since Boss George was young. However, that "True Yankee" term bothers me to no end. Babe Ruth drank beer and ate hot dogs during games. Mickey Mantle probably played a dozen games sober in his career. Are they not "True Yankees?" That "true" moniker implies some mystical relevance that can only be achieved with huge clutch hitting, combined with upstanding community service, with a few babies saved from burning buildings. It's ludicrous.

    There's a big difference between what is implied with that "True Yankee" label and acting professionally. You'll notice I don't give Burnett shit for his pie routine. (Honestly, the whole "True Yankee" label driving me crazy started with ARod. Why is one of the greatest power hitters of our time, if not all time, not a "True Yankee?")
     
  9. MSUJet85

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    I don't think there is a chance in hell that it isn't a close series, it'll go at least 6
     
  10. IATA

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    Am I the only one who dosen't even read Alio and Cappy post here anymore? It's the same argument for the last 3 months, and I still could care less.
     
  11. Cappy

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    The proper phrase is couldn't care less.



    (Just checking to see if you're telling the truth about not reading.)
     
  12. AlioTheFool

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    What Cappy said.
     
  13. aychichi

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    Yankees in 6.

    I love CC going on short rest he can handle it. And with him doing so everyone else will be on regular rest.

    The Angels are tough but their bullpen is brutal and i think that is where we will take care of them.

    We lit up Joe Nathan last round, and by no means do the Angels have an arm like Nathans out of the bullpen.
     
  14. dubagedi

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    I'd say Yankees in 6, but the Angels could give them some trouble. I think it's going to come down to how LAA's bullpen performs, if it performs well I like their lineup and their starting pitching looked pretty damn good in the ALDS (besides Kazmir).
     
  15. JetBlue

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    Milwaukee tried him on short rest last year in the playoffs and he got hammered. Not sure how that could love that precedence.
     
  16. TommyGreen

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    Ugh. Again with this "Let's assume all Jets fans are Mets fans" crap. New York IS a baseball town, and the Yanks have been around a lot longer than the Jets, so it's not unreasonable to assume that there are a sizable number of Yanks/Jets fans out here.

    BTW, Yankees in 5. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I can't wait.

    LETS GO YANKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
     
  17. Cappy

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    When Milwaukee tried him in the playoffs on short rest, it was the fourth game in a row he had pitched on short rest.

    But the three games on short rest before that playoff game?

    5.2 IP, 7 H, 1 ER, 3 K
    7.0 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 11 K
    9.0 IP, 4 H, 0 ER, 7 K

    Not too worried about it.
     
  18. AlioTheFool

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    I'm going to one-up you there. CC's career:

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    Days of rest Wins Losses ERA 
    Three 3 1 1.01 
    Four 78 46 3.66 
    Five 38 24 3.53 
    Six or more 17 10 3.92 
    Obviously 5 is optimal, but even on three days rest he's managed to be effective. As you're saying, it's a matter of how often it's done. Plus, he's still at his lowest inning total in 3 years.
     
  19. Cappy

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    Might not be an issue, in any case. With all the rain in the forecast, Sabathia might be able to pitch four games, all of 'em on normal rest.
     
  20. AlioTheFool

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    Yeah, really. This series is going to be a mess.

    We're already looking at some World Series action in November. Any delays and we might have snow during the celebration.
     

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