i actually hope he promotes Cavanaugh who is the QB coach. He was the OC in Baltimore when they won the SB. He knows how to run the shit out of the ball and play the correct type of offense that should be run. I hope Sanchez does well enough to see Schotty leave and to have one of the position coaches take the same playbook and remove all the bullshit that gets in the way of consistent playcalling.
I agree w/ you. My contentions were not based on how many passing attempts we should have per game. Our running game can be downright dominant at times...and swaying away from that,especially w/ our defense..would be downright foolish. My point about "opening it up" was more about giving him Freedom when we DO decide to pass the football. The "1 read-checkdown- and then chuck it" approach doesnt suit Sanchez well(and his play within it reflrects that)..and long term he isn't that type of player. All I'm saying is...let him run the normal passing offense w/ the whole field and all the recieiving options at his disposal.He appears more comfortable w/ this, and this appears the best way for him to continue to improve and develop.
if Cavanaugh could make Dilfer look good and make him a champion....then Sanchez would be left in good hands. I still like Callahan...because he's a beast of an OC.....but I wouldn't shun your suggestion either.
My thoughts on: 1. Sanchez: He's a rookie. That being said, he looks pretty good. I'm loathe to compare him to any of the great QBs in the league right now, but there are very few elite QBs that had stellar rookie years. Most of them were quite horrendous in fact. Even the great Peyton Manning only won 3 games his first year and threw 27 INTs. My point, give the kid a break, he's doing a pretty good job and will only improve with experience. Case in point, the 4th down play against Miami...a more experienced QB makes that throw to quicker to Cotchery on the slant instead of waiting for someone to get open in the endzone. Basically, it was a slow read by Sanchez. A more experienced QB recognizes the coverage quicker and adjusts. He will learn though. I imagine we will be talking about many 4th quarter wins from him in the future. Shottenheimer: He's streaky. Sometimes he calls brilliant plays, other times he out-thinks himself. Personally, I was annoyed they didn't run on 3rd and 6 with 2 timeouts. Worst case scenario, they only pick up a yard or 2 and have a shorter 4th down play and a more open playbook. Plus, running is our forte. And if that's the case, you have to win those battles. The argument that changing OCs would hurt Sanchez's development is a valid one.
why would we want the same offense as the ravens had when they won the superbowl? There defense won that for em. I've been preaching for Callahan. Has proven himself as a good OC.
yes..the defense was the centerpiece of the Ravens' superbowl run. But Dilfer was the ultimate game manager....and didn't make any critical mistakes when it counted. You tack that on...with Sanchez's rollout ability and his arm.....and you have a nice recipe to win. I'm with you on the Callahan bandwagon...but this wouldn't be a bad alternative either.
He's played 6 good games and 2 complete disaster games, the thing that annoys me is that the Buffalo disaster could have been avoided by better play calling but overall still he's playing much better than his numbers show. Anybody who thinks he doesn't have a bright future with this team is rooting for the kid to fail
I hear ya... but that team went 5 games in a row without a td i believe... not exactly what i want running the jets offense.
but if it means 5 "wins" a row...do you really care? I'm not here for style points....I'm here for the wins.
I've been thinking about this lately myself. I like most of the plays that Schotty has installed here, its just when they are called, and some plays are called too often and some we hardly ever see. On another thought, Rex might greatly benefit keeping Callahan within arms reach during the game. Not just for some input on the calls going out but some of the other decisions, TO's, 2 pt conv, etc. Rex is still new to this and I think sometimes he goes with a "gut instinct", where Callahan has been through the ranks and he doesn't seem to get caught up in the hype.
YES YES! Very few people acknowledge the fact that dumping Schotty will hurt Sanchez's development. Schotty is not a great coordinator, but he is decent. Keeping him with the current crew is better long term than dumping him and installing a new system. It will hinder Sanchez growth trying to learn a new playbook. Let him keep with it for at least another full year till he gets more NFL savvy. Same for the OLine. I know all the rumblings about Faneca and they aren't necessarily wrong. But keeping this group together is important for chemistry and plays. Look at how long the same OLine was together with Brady in NE. What did NE do - oh not much...
I'm not sure if he's better when coming from behind... I was thinking yesterday more like he's better when he's got "nothing to lose", which is similar but not exactly the same (this includes the 3rd and long chances, for example). Any way, is the same as always, he's a rookie, expect good games (talent) and awful games (inexperience). Same goes for Greene and Ryan.
I acknowledge a new system would possibly hurt sanchez's development, but were not talking about Jason Campbell here. The Jets offense hasn't been in the top 15 since Schotty has been here. Maybe a change sooner rather than later would be better
One thing I've noticed on Sanchez is that he tends to be erratic early, probably from adrenalin, but as the game wears on, he gets sharper and more decisive. I think his mechanics have gotten sloppier as the season has gone on, which worries me, I mean, that should be the FIRST thing the QB coach emphasizes, but overall, I think we've got the Favre we wanted the first time we wanted Favre, which is a damn sight better than the favre we got the second time we wanted him.
Don't forget the running game as mentioned earlier. The Jets - even in the first half after the drives stalled - were beating up the Fish in the trenches. The Dolphins didn't beat the Jets so much as they outlasted them. Their defense was gassed the entire second half which was a result of the running game pounding them in the first half. When you can run the ball it really does take the wind out of the sails on the defense as they can't over commit to rushing the passer. Sanchez looked good - but that was also the result of a lot of hard work by the offensive line and the RBs early on.
Indeed. What happens next year if things don't improve? Do we make the move then? After _2_ years of MS developing in this system? That would set us back even MORE. Truth-be-told, we probably should not have kept Schotty as OC this year, but we did, and halfway through the season the results are "meh" at best. Barring a significant improvement down the stretch, we're better off making the change sooner rather than later, when Mark would still be "developing" anyway.
How about waiting until Sanchez develops some rapport during the bye week with Edwards, a healthy JCo and Keller? You saw a vastly different offense yesterday with an almost healthy trio out there yesterday and now you want to scrap the offense? The offense is not the problems folks - a rookie QB and consistency is all that is needed. You can't blame Schotty for protecting Sanchez and not being aggressive AND then blame him when the rookie QB makes mistakes with some aggressive play calling. The Jets have the #1 ranked rushing offense and are avg. 22 pts a game with a ROOKIE QB. Incidently the Jets avg. 25 pts last year with HOF Brett Favre. Statistically it is a 2 position drop from 16th in 2008 to 18th in 2009 on scoring offense. Judge this offense on the last 8 games of the year now that Sanchez has some time running the show in 8 NFL regular season games and the team can fully integrate Edwards and get a 100% healthy JCo on the field.
Last week and especially the week before, after Sanchez threw five interceptions, many posters here were arguing the Jets should not throw the ball unless they absolutely had to. Run first and run again was the idea. Today many posters seem to be saying Sanchez should not play with a conservative approach. And should sling it more. Well, I am in the middle on that one, but one thing Simms said in commenting, actually said about Henne and the wildcat, is to paraphrase that you can't turn it on and off. Getting into a rhythm with the passing game requires throwing the ball with some consistency. This does not mean the run cannot take priority, but there is a cost to running the ball when it too dominates the game plan and play calling. Then you find yourself in third and long when you haven't gotten into a passing rhythm. In yesterday's game the Jets threw the ball 16 times in the first half for a 57.8 rating. he also fumbled, although it was recovered. Hardly great numbers. In the second half, against a woeful pass D, Sanchez started getting more results after the Jets fell behind. Still the key play in their first TD drive was Weatherford's punt, recovered by the Jets. Sanchez's biggest pass was the 53 yarder to Cotchery, but that was all on the rookie cb who went for the INT when he had no shot at it. The TD pass to Edwards was probably the best pass and catch all day from the Jets. There were also some nice plays on the Jets' final TD drive. But at that point the Jets were down by two scores. It was a good but not great day for Sanchez. And returning to the opening point, the Jets were 3 for 14, or 21%, on third down conversions. Not very good...
The defense was not gassed in the second half because of the pounding they were gassed because their D scored a TD and their special teams returned two kicks for TD's which means the D goes back right back on the field each time. The Dolphins D has been torched in the passing game when they have controlled the clock. This game the Dolphins D was on the field because of a fumble returned for a TD and two special team run backs.