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  1. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    If any reasonable person would say that, what portion of the population does that leave? The unreasonable ones if I'm not mistaken.

    That's a possibility.

    He said he would be in his press conference last week.

    I'm not sure what your point is here?

    Agreed. I think it's also safe to say it was a pretty clear change in how he was playing since Ryan clamped down.
     
  2. Italian Seafood

    Italian Seafood New Member

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    At least he isn't capitalizing it yet like "Chad Fans", give it time. I'm beginning to think he really is Kellen Clemens.
     
  3. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    Are you talking about that throw to Edwards while Edwards was running a skinny post pattern against Carolina? If he's accurate on that pass he would have thrown a TD.
     
  4. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    ^ I was talking about Clemens in that paragraph.
     
  5. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Read up in the thread. It was asserted that Sanchez would have completed passes that Clemens did not. (presumably based upon past performance) You commented on my post, but not the earlier assertion. Either you did not read the earlier post, which may well be the case, or you were engaging in a selective critique of gauging future based on past performance.

    I didn't call everyone a Sanchez homer. Only the Sanchez homers.

    And the Jets won yesterday. TB lost. What do I have to get over?
     
  6. brothermoose

    brothermoose Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps timid would have been a better word. His protection wasn't very good, especially in the beginning. I don't think our play changed over the course of the game as much as the TB D started giving up as the game got more out of hand.
     
  7. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Completely fair point on the first one. I should not have said any. I should have said a. I do not believe at all that it would be unreasonable to think Sanchez might well be able to show going forward that he will cut down on his ints. That is my personal hope. I apologize for that one and for creating an issue I do not really have.

    Did Ryan say he would have Clemens on red the whole game?

    My point about the changed nature of the playcalling, and the color system that was implemented, is that it is not unreasonable to assume that the likely effect, at least in the short run, is that Sanchez will not be attempting the type of passes he sometimes completed earlier in the season, those being the thread the needle type of plays that are too risky. Of course that's what it means. The point about the number of attempts is also relevant. If the number of attempts goes down, we will see less production (and fewer errors) from the passing game. It may well prove more efficient, and that is the objective, but it also means that along with perhaps Sanchez making some of the passes Clemens did not, Sanchez will also not be attempting some of the more risky passes he sometimes completed earlier in the season. Can't have it both ways.

    And yes I agree there was clearly a change. He still did throw an int in the Carolina game, though.
     
  8. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    There's really no reason to go there, unless you are planning on adopting the same uncritical and homeristic approach to Sanchez that you had for Chad.
     
  9. Italian Seafood

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    That's your opinion, I root for Jet QBs to do well. Clemens now has as many wins as a starter as Pennington has playoff appearances. Let's see you formulate a stat to get around that one.
     
  10. Red Menace

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    This sentence is what we as Jet fans need to keep in mind, when we have 2 qb's who cannot play the position properly, whether it's due to inexperience(MS), or just being a scrub(KC) our HC has done the right thing by eliminating the higher risk/high reward pass plays. Kudos to Rex for taking control of his team as some one already posted before. :jets:
     
  11. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    Damn it, that's twice in the past two days. My bad.
     
  12. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough. My main bone of contention with your post was that.

    not at all. He gave the usual "we think player xyz" is great talk. It seemed quite clear that the plan was to keep it pretty close to the vest in the passing game though. The number of Brad Smith appearances was a pretty clear indicator of how little he wanted the ball in Clemens' hands IMO. That was obviously a good plan and it helped us get a "w"

    yes the # of passes will and should be down so long as the situation dictates. Of course we'll see fewer big plays, but I do believe Rex will be more willing to go orange and green level with Sanchez than he was with Clemens.

    Again, that Carolina INT was an accuracy issue, not a bad decision like many of the previous ones.
     
  13. Big Blocker

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    So, basically we seem to be pretty much on the same page here. Sounds good.
     
  14. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    I think we all are really.
     
  15. ThunderbirdJet

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    DeJaVue all over again.
     
  16. LeonNYJ

    LeonNYJ Well-Known Member

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    Funny that the same things that were wrong with Clemens are the same things that are wrong with Sanchez...
     
  17. ThunderbirdJet

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    Clemens didn;t turn the ball over, no less throw INT's to D linemen. Pay attention.
     

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