The other thing that should be taken into consideration is when and where the ball is fumbled. Some places are more 'acceptable' than others and how the fumble occurs as well should be looked at. I can remember one of Greenes fumbles was caused by the slightest touch, which is a bit different to having 4 or 5 players pile into you and it gets coughed up. (Me > Stuck record) I don't think Greenes issues will be about fumbles, just staying healthy I fear is going to be his biggest problem.
Don't know but it would make sense... plus B. Smith is becoming more and more valuable as a return guy / trick plays guy.
Guys are ripping at his arms now, something he was not used to as a college player. He still he thinks he can just run through everybody like he did at Iowa so it is on the coaches to teach him that he cannot do that and on him to learn it.
Why???? Greene has so much potential.... Im hoping we can ink Jones and Washington back for next year, and Woodhead hasn't been to shabby as a 3rd down receiving back. We should have enough depth for this year, and plenty next year.... Maybe some one is injured.
2 out of the 3 Greene fumbles were when he was in the secondary. He just needs to be taught to protect the ball a bit better. I would be much more concerned if he had fumbled all three while hitting the line of scrimmage or fumbling the handoff. I believe Greene will work through this.
I realize that Green is no Dickerson...trust me. I wasnt comparing any of Eric Dickersons ability to Green's. I was only using the comparison to show high amount of fumbles for rookies. Bottom line...fumbling can be corrected.
Looking at his height and weight I agree that the CS think he may be a prospect to replace Richardson at FB, but the aticle also says he plays special teams which may be another reason they are looking at him.
Greens fumble against tampa was on a huge run, where he was hit and stayed on his feet, then was stripped from behind. Did it sucks...hell yes, but the play also showed a glimpse of the physical skills that the Jets coaching staff loves in him. Fumbling can be fixed. Its him willing to learn and pratice keeping two hands on the ball during and after being hit. Chris Wells has 4 fumbles this season 140 touches. Sometimes rookies fumble a lot. He'll over come it.
Are you a RB coach in the pros, college, or high school? I'm not trying to be a dick or challenge your knowledge as a coach but the longer these habits are in place, the more difficult it is for them to be broken. Sanchez and Greene both started football early in high school so they've been playing like this for a while. It took Tiki until 2004 to learn how to protect the ball properly which means it was a combination of coaching and habit. Ryan is not a slouch and neither he nor his staff are going to let this continue. Once they are in the offseason and have more time to teach these players, these problems are going to diminish. Right now, these young guys already have a lot to go over each week with the game plans and film study and any time they spend on that is time that they are not directly preparing for the upcoming competition. You are right when you say the fundamentals need to be enforced but most pro teams do not practice the fundamentals on a constant basis during the regular season. Again. This is the type of problems that most pro coaching staffs will handle in the offseason when they do not have to worry about making sure the players know everything they have to about Sunday's opponent.
Greene has that bruiser style, he always runs guys over and gets the extra yards but he has lost the ball quite a few times in doing so. I hope its just a rookie thing because this kid is to good of a runner to be fumbling like that.
If they bring another RB in it'll be for insurance, not "to send a message". You don't fix a rookie's fumbling problem by threatening them, it's done through coaching. I'm not worried about Greene.
That's exactly why I gave Sanchez a pass. He's got plenty to go over, WAY more then Greene has too on a daily basis. I've coached only high school level, but I've played college, and I know what goes into weekly preparation. Keep in mind, HS and college have limits on how much we can practice. These guys are professionals, if they aren't working on these things, it's on the staff. Turnovers are THAT important, where this should be paramount. If need be, he should be out there getting instruction until Midnight. I never actually blame a player unless he's downright ignorant or a waste of talent. Ball handling is mental. Is it hard to change your muscle memory, sure it is. Does it take months and months and months, no. I'm also coming from the Marine corps where anything, and I meant ANYTHING can be made into muscle memory. So hearing it takes along time to me is crap. I can agree to disagree here, I've seen too much to think it can't be fixed in a matter of months.
I doubt it is either at this point. Smith used to block on KRs but is now returning them. That left us with a hole to fill on the KR team and now we are trying to sign someone roughly the size of a fullback who played almost exclusively on special teams for his last NFL team. I think this one is pretty obvious at this point.
Not to spark an argument here, but coming from the Marine Corps probably puts your toughness level above roughly 80% of professional football players. You are really making a comparison from apples to baseballs on this one. If the NFL was the same as the military, Kerry Rhodes would have been benched by week 3 and keelhuauled following week 11. There is a reason these guys do not see the practice field after a game until Wednesday, they are resting and should be studying game film. Of course Greene can be at the field working on this on his own with the RB coaches but the muscle memory issue is both repetition and reaction on the playing field. I'm not trying to give Greene a pass on this one but looking at how these fumbles keep happening, it seems like he specifically is going to take time to learn how to stop doing this. Not everyone responds in the same amount of time. It's not an excuse, just the reality of the situation.
Why did we even sign this guy? We have TJ, Shonn, and Woodhead(WR now). Woodhead btw has proved himself..yes against shitty teams, but yeah he has made big catches to keep drives allowed and had some strong runs. Hes a WR now, but he can still line up in the back. Also was a preseason legend.
This I think is the key to Greene?s fumbling. He was in the Secondary. While at Iowa Green had 0 fumbles in 376 carries. He is not a fumbler. Now that he is in the NFL, getting limited carries, when he gets into the secondary he gets excited, and tries to run people over like he did at Iowa. It won?t take him long to figure out that safeties in the NFL are different then they are in college. The good news is he seems to have the skills to get to the second level quite a bit.
Where did you get this from??? Rushing Stats YEAR TEAM G ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST 2006 NYJ 16 151 650 4.3 23 4 33 1 1 2007 NYJ 16 71 353 5.0 49 3 12 1 1 2008 NYJ 16 76 448 5.9 61 6 14 1 0 2009 NYJ 7 72 331 4.6 33 0 9 1 1 Career 55 370 1782 4.8 61 13 68 4 3 Looks better when I type it, Lines up- He's only fumbled and lost 3 times with 4 total fumbles.
