See, here's the problem. You say, the Jets should have thrown on first down, since it's advantageous to throw on first when people think you're a good running team. Had they done that, and all else stayed the same, we'd be slaughtering the Jets for having a pass-first gameplan when they're built to pound the rock. The fact is that the Jets running game got stuffed all day long, regardless of down and distance. Sanchez said it best, sometimes that happens, and when it does, the passing game has to pick up the slack. If anything, they were overprotective of Sanchez by continuing to run the ball when it wasn't working for obvious reasons. With an experienced quarterback under center, this defensive gameplan would have justified 50 pass attempts, but this rookie signall caller might've produced 7 picks if they'd done that. The problem was nothing other than the failure of the Jets offense to gain positive yards on the ground. Whether you want to call it a coaching failure, an off day by the players, or a great effort on the part of Falcons players or coaches is up to you, but it's generally somewhere in the vast grey area between the three. Personally, I like the commitment to the run, but some of the run calls I didn't like, particularly early. The first offensive play of the game was a good example, they motioned the fullback around, ended up with a strange formation and a stretch run off right tackle (if memory serves). The gameplan in general included a lot of sweeps and stretches, and was lighter than usual on power runs up the middle. It seemed like the Jets were deliberately avoiding the middle of the Falcons defense, and I don't entirely understand why, as I hadn't understood that to be a strength of the team. They also had Thomas Jones on the sidelines an awful lot in the first half, which is odd considering that Rex seemed genuinely surprised at the difficulty running the ball. A heavy dose of play-action fakes to TJ seemed like a good course of action, but real play action isn't something we've really seen from Sanchez yet, maybe they're saving misdirection and fakery for training camp #2.
If we throw early everyone complain, if we run early everyone complains. The bottom line is it comes down to execution. The OC is a good one, he didn't miss 3 kicks. We always need a scapegoat.
well, we hated sutton last year, and got a good defense in return. Maybe hating Schotty will do the same for the offense.
Our O has been pretty good most of the year, again if it was all about the O and the QB we'd be 11-3.
what about blaming missed FG's? regardless what else happened we still would have won, even if he had made one kick i think we would have ended up winning that game.
I'm so sick, it's tough to even recall and post WTF happened.... Literally ILL right now... Yeah, we should have seen it coming blah blha blah but, SOJ. One thing that kills me stil lis the Trickery.... I went ballistic after the Bills game over the OC - But, this game, it's not like the running game was killing anyone... I'm not as upset over the OC - gotta make those kicks (unbelieveable) That said, it seems to me like a lot of the running plays are #### plays - a play where Brad Smith or Danny Woodhead is in motion - that means one of these guys is going to be in position to be a major part of the blocking scheme.... Sometimes this teams forgets about GROUND AND POUND - if you're THAT freaking good at running the ball and you think your OL is THAT good then just line up and smack em in the face - the Trickery kills me sometimes... And Thomas Jones didn't get enought play in this game at all...
Since he has been here, please tell me what QB has gotten better as the season progressed under Schotty? Favre was worse, Pennington was worse, and Sanchez is worse than he was at the beginning of the season.
Another critical point people are ignoring, which cannot be put on the OC. Jones was clearly benched after his personal foul. They showed him on the sidelines, with the offense on the field, with a jacket on. He wasn't coming back in for a while. Now, to me, this is a problem with Rex. Scott has made a number of stupid mistakes in terms of fighting on-field this year. Faneca made an incredibly bone-headed one late in the game himself. These guys haven't been benched though. Why was Jones? Hypocracy. And detremental to the team, considering Jones gets better the more carries he gets. Taking him out of his rhythm had him stalling out until late in the game. But it's got to be Schottenheimer's fault somehow. Surely someone can find a way to properly pin it on him.
Schotty's track record is shaky at best, as QB's seem to perform WORSE under him (see Rivers, Brees, Favre, Tony Banks-Skins, Chad). I would like nothing more than to see Calahan bumped up. I am not holding Sanchez to the fire, as it is clear that he is put in tough spots, and a rookie is going to struggle. But with the top run game you POUND THE BALL all game long, and I simply did not see that today. Say what you will about Clemens, but at least they had him committed to the run. I would have rather seen that than forcing the ball down the middle of the field into double coverage because you are put in horrible 3rd and long situations. However, I still think a good chunk on the blame for this loss has to go to Specials. Westhoff is a legend, and it seems like this year the talent on specials has not been great. I realize Leon went down, but you got to adjust. These guys should be coached up better, and we have been lucky as F*&K with all the fake punts and crap this year. Any of those could have gone the wrong way too, and perhaps more heat would be on Westhoff. I do not want him gone, but I do want him accountable. If he does not have the talent, then someone with his background she be able to recognize it??? Jericho is slow as molasses back there, and Leonhard is not my ideal. However, I am not upset with the returns so much, as they HOLD ON TO THE BALL most of the time. I am upset with the field goal unit, and yesterday was just horrible with 3 botched field goals inside the 40. One my block, one by miss, and one by blown snap. That my friends should NEVER happen.
I like this post a lot, although I don't completely blame Schottenheimer, plenty of blame belongs with the kicking unit. I do also want to point outhe rate of success the Jets had throwing on 1st down every once in a while when Schotty inconsistantly threw it into the gameplan: 2 intermediate passes - 2 1st downs - 13yds, 14yds 3 short passes - 1 4yd pass - 1 8yd pass called back for a BS Brad Smith roughness penalty in the final drive) - 1 strange incompletion to Wayne Hunter 2 deep passes - 1 TD pass (65yds) - 1 interception (20yds)
Sanchez is clearly better, Chad had a good year in 2006, we had injured QBs in 2007 and Favre ALWAYS fades in december so wher is he doing a bad job?
Exactly (I didn't quote your initial post but I agree with it) this is what I mean when I say Schotty's style doesn't fit our O personnel... I hope Rex kicks his ass come the end of the season.
The only way that the Jets offense could be 11-3 would be in conjunction with the fact that the Jets are the #1 defense in the league. If the Jets defense were not letting an average of less than 13 points a game (if you take into account the 7 return TD's) there is no way that this team sniffs an 11-3 record. If you put this offensive output that the O has generated and stick it with an "average" defense the record wouldn't be 7-7. The Jets offense is averaging less than 20 points per game and if you consider the 5 return TD's they have allowed their "net" offensive points are less than 17 points per game. That isn't going to get it done in today's NFL. I know that the D has failed to hold last drives in the Miami (#1), Jax, and Atlanta games. It also sucks that two losses (Maimi - #2, and Atlanta) can also be attributed to poor special teams. However, the only way that you can claim that "Our O has been pretty good most of the year, again if it was all about the O and the QB we'd be 11-3." would be in the context of near perfect defense and special teams and that rarely happens in the NFL. Does this offense (less than 20 points per game and 21 interceptions) look like an 11-3 offense? Not in my book.
Here is the breakdown of our losses: Mark sanchez: 3, at NO, vs. Buffalo, at NE Defense: 2, at Miami, vs. jacksonville STs: 2, vs. Miami, vs. Atlanta
The only way that the Jets offense could be 11-3 would be in conjunction with the fact that the Jets are the #1 defense in the league. If the Jets defense were not letting an average of less than 13 points a game (if you take into account the 7 return TD's) there is no way that this team sniffs an 11-3 record. If you put this offensive output that the O has generated and stick it with an "average" defense the record wouldn't be 7-7. The Jets offense is averaging less than 20 points per game and if you consider the 5 return TD's they have allowed their "net" offensive points are less than 17 points per game. That isn't going to get it done in today's NFL. I know that the D has failed to hold last drives in the Miami (#1), Jax, and Atlanta games. It also sucks that two losses (Maimi - #2, and Atlanta) can also be attributed to poor special teams. However, the only way that you can claim that "Our O has been pretty good most of the year, again if it was all about the O and the QB we'd be 11-3." would be in the context of near perfect defense and special teams and that rarely happens in the NFL. Does this offense (less than 20 points per game and 21 interceptions) look like an 11-3 offense. Not in my book.
Sanchez threw 32 times. We didn't run with Shonn Greene and Brad Smith enough. That's three major mistakes in handling this game.
Saw this to solidify my previous post: Quarterback Production Under Brian Schottenheimer 2006 Chad Pennington 17 TDS 16 INTS 82.6 Rating *7th most Interception in the NFL 2007 Chad Pennington 10 TDS 9 INTS 86.1 Rating Kellen Clemens 5 TDS 10 INTS 60.9 Rating * Combined for 2nd most INTS in the NFL 2008 Brett Favre 22 TDS 22 INTS 80.1 Rating * Most INTS in the NFL 2009 Mark Sanchez 12 TDS 20 INTS 62.3 Rating *2nd most INTS in the NFL This is what the same quartebacks were able to accomplish in another system with comparable Wide Receivers. 2008 Chad Pennington under Dan Henning's offensive 19 TDs 7 INTs 97.4 Rating * 2nd Highest Rating in the NFL 2009 Brett Favre under Brad Childress Offense 27 TDS 7 INTS 104.1 Rating * 2nd Highest Rating in the NFL I think the numbers speak for themselves. This ass clown has to go. Fitz
Our passing offense is one of the worst in the NFL. We have one of the worst completion percentages in the NFL. We are among the worst passing offenses in the NFL in terms of total yds, yds/gm and TDS. We have thrown more interceptions than any team in the NFL except for the bears, bucs and lions. The only teams in the NFL with worse passer ratings than the Jets are the raiders, bucs, lions and brownies. If you think our o is "pretty good", then that fantasy is up to you. I think our O sucks and I think our passing game is freaking putrid. Its hard to get much worse than the Jets passing game. We have a pretty good running game and a very shitty passing game. Its a disgrace. The players & coaches on this team should be embarrassed by this passing game. The fans should be mortified by this passing game. You want to know why we don't win games? Our Passing SUCKS. We cannot move the ball effectively. We cannot put pressure on defenses. Our 2 Minute drill is a joke. Our Red Zone offense is a joke. We SUCK !!!! If our defense was simply an average NFL D then our record would be 4-10 and that is being optimistic. Our offense blows.
