What I'd like to see in this thread is a lot of NCAA-savvy Jets fans posting potential college coaches ready to take the jump to the next level, and some other-teams-savvy fans bringing up some names from around the league. No Schotty-bashing. My criteria for this search are simple. I want an offensive coordinator or quarterbacks coach who had a young, inexperienced quarterback and turned him into a serviceable or good quarterback. To me, that means the guys responsible for Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers and Kyle Orton. Joe Philbin, Offensive Coordinator for the Packers Spent the last three years as offensive coordinator for the Pack. What I like about Philbin is his history with offensive lines. He coordinated Iowa's line for years and was in charge of the Pack's line until he was named OC. Granted, the Packers' o-line isn't a strength, but I feel like we need an OC with some o-line rapport, someone who understands that lineman love to run-block. Philbin might be that guy. Tom Clements, Quarterbacks Coach for the Packers Clements might be the man most responsible for Rodgers' success. He's been a QB coach with the Pack for the last three seasons. He also coached Favre during his fantastic final year, so he has experience with legends and with unproven youngsters. Clarence Shelmon, Offensive Coordinator for the Chargers With the Chargers since 2002. That means he was around for Drew Brees' ascension as well as Philip Rivers'. John Ramsdell, Quarterbacks Coach for the Chargers Quite the resume for Mr. Ramsdell. He coached Kurt Warner during the Greatest Show on Turf, coached Bulger when Bulger was decent, and sent Philip Rivers to the pro bowl during his first year as quarterbacks coach for the Chargers. That sounds like the resume of a successful quarterback developer to me. Pete Carmichael Jr. Offensive Coordinator for the Saints First year as OC for the Saints; he served as quarterbacks coach for three years prior. What I like about Carmichael's schemes is that he uses every player in his offense. Bush, Shockey, Thomas, Thomas, Bell, Colston, Meachem, Henderson, Moore... everybody's getting a ball, sooner or later. Nothing seems forced. That has a lot to do with Drew Brees, of course, but it also has a lot to do with the man calling the plays. Mike McCoy Offensive Coordinator, Quarterbacks for the Broncos McCoy did some good work with the Panthers and I'd like to believe that the utter FAIL of Jake Delhomme this season has something to do with McCoy's departure. He's also helped develop Kyle Orton from stop-gap to certifiable starter, if not better. So that's my preliminary list of candidates. If anyone has any input on why some of these guys might work or why some of these guys wouldn't work, that would make for an interesting discussion. NOTE: A lot of these candidates would be making lateral moves, going from a pleasant situation on one team to an unknown situation with the Jets. You'll notice that all these coaches work under offensive "gurus." I'd imagine it's difficult for a Carmichael or a Shelmon to be taken seriously for head coaching vacancies because of the shadow effect. Also, I think that with the nearly unprecedented stock of quality head coaches waiting to get back in the game (Shanahan, Cowher, etc.) this will be a very difficult year for assistant coaches to make the salary jump. But the New York Jets? There's a team ready to break the bank for a functional offense.
Do you risk bringing in another OC and ruin Sanchez development? Were going to set him back another year, ala David Carr, Jason Campbell, Alex Smith all those QBs ruined by new OC coming in and teaching a new system that took Sanchez all of off-season to learn, and if we bring one in we have to make sure he STAYS and the system is QB friendly, but we need a true MENTOR to help Sanchez become the QB we all want him to be, some Mentor that can teach Sanchez how to be a successful QB, Shotty doesn't have that skill set IMO and what makes you think these guys would leave their respective Franchises to come to the fucking Jets who are as cursed as the Chicago Cubs =/
You can't take another teams OC unless they fire them, give you permission to hire them for the same job, or you're hiring them as a HC. So I'd eliminate those guys right away.
Alot of the guys you've mentioned are running successful programs and their respective teams won't let them go anyplace. While I agree that Schotty shouldn't be allowed near any rookie QB, especially one as raw as Sanchez, we have to be real careful here or else we risk turning Sanchez into Joey Harrington.
Hopefully it's still Brian Schottenheimer but if not I guarantee whoever we bring in there will be threads on his playcalling and he'll be the scapegoat for losses.
Well... Weis obviously did great work with Brady and he turned Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen into first round draft picks. (In fact, Quinn should have been the first QB off the baord and Clausen likely will be). But he's also an asshole. A Bill Belichick asshole. I'd pass on Weis, but I also think Weis would pass on the Jets. Definitely deserves further analysis in this thread, though.
Someone mentioned it in another thread, but Gary Kubiak (if/when he gets fired at the end of the season)
Although I have been pretty critical of Schotty, if I had to lay money on it, I would bet that he is the Jets' OC in 2010.
I guess that turns into a continuity vs. quality debate. If you believe keeping the system the same year after year for a young quarterback is the most important ingredient, you'd probably hope Schotty stays. If you believe continuity finishes a close second behind coaching ability, you're probably begging for a change. In defense of the continuity debate, I think Washington ruined Jason Campbell. In defense of the quality debate, Kellen Clemens (and, on the opposite end of the spectrum, Kyle Orton).
His development seems to be in reverse with Schottenheimer - so is it more of a risk to keep him or replace him? Every QB has performed worse than the rest of there career under Schotty so far. Charlie Weis would be my first choice. I also think Callahan should get a look - he is probably the best option for continuity if we ditch Schitty. I don't know much about the other options available though.
First of all, prepare to be disappointed. Schottenheimer's going nowhere--just because the fans like to whine doesn't mean that the organization doesn't love the guy (and they do--why else do you think he was kept after the regime change?) If he is fired, however, the first person I would call is Jim Zorn. This whole Redskins mess has made people forgot that he singlehandedly turned Matt Hasselbeck from "Mr. August" into one of the top QBs in the league. I don't know how much money he'd be sacrificing by taking another job after being fired, though.
That's definitely going to play an important role. I know Woody and Tanny love Schottenheimer. But Woody also loves money and I'm sure Tanny enjoys winning. At some point, they're going to have to ask themselves if the investment they have in young Mr. Schottenheimer outweighs the investment they have in young Mr. Sanchez. Or maybe they don't believe they're mutually exclusive, as I do.
A west coast offense on a run first team? No way! Love the guy but he is a worse fit tha Schotty for us...
Have to get rid of Schottenheimer because: 1. HC has lost confidence in him based on involvement with Sanchez. 2. HC is a great D coordinator and will be a great HC but he must have an "in your face" OC that will have the same pride of ownership in offense that Ryan has in the D. 3. Rookie QB's progress has been hampered and this season has been severely damaged if not lost by the lack of a quality, mature QB to help in Sanchez's development and take the reins as needed this year. This is Schottenheimer's responsibility. 4. A strong OC will make sure Sanchez progresses but not sacrifice the whole team and 2010 season to that development - again Schottenheimer's responsibility in 2009. I don't hate Schottenheimer. However, he has not maximized Sanchez's progress, has not made sure the Offense performs despite challenges that had to be overcome and has lost the confidence of the OC as evidenced by actions not words. Need to make a change.
I think the great attraction of coming to the Jets for an OC are: A) Ryan takes no credit for how the offense plays... so if a guy comes in at OC and makes wonder for this team everyone will acknowledge his merits and not say it was Rex. B) Huge media market so success = future HC job somewhere. C) Talent on O D) Moeny the Jets are willing to invest. Schotty just sucks at developing QBs... but knowing Ryan I think he will appoint Cavanugh as the OC. I guess I should be pleased with that since he's done well with Pitt and Balt. The question then is, who do we get as QB coach?
