He's a left guard. Iupati played a lot of tackle during the Senior Bowl. When the coaching staff moved him back to left guard, he was dominant, especially as a run blocker. Saying that Morgan Burnett will be better than Eric Berry and Earl Thomas, and then backing it up with a Wes Bunting article, is retarded garbage.
By no means am I an expert, but I doubt the Jets are taking a WR anytime early in the draft barring the sudden death of one of our WRs. I agree with Vision, very likely to be a defensive 1st pick, no matter when our 1st pick ends up being unless Iupati falls. I'm just enjoying the fight in here!:breakdance:
I agree. Now that the Dolfags have Brandon Marshall, the Jets need to improve the safety position. We all know DarrelleRevis will do a great job on Marshall - should be some great battles for the next 5 years or so - but they're going to move him around to create mismatches. Revis will get the job done, but we'll need some help over the top. As much as I dislike both of these scenarios they might happen: 1. Jets take Taylor Mays 2. Jets trade up a few spots for Earl Thomas I think the Jets are going to take a safety early.
So why does any of this mean that the Jets cannot wait until later to take a guy who will never be better than #3 WR on the roster?
Mike Mayock of NFL Network on a conference call: "In this draft, 24 and lower is a good place to be. :up:
I can guarantee you Golden Tate won't be there at #29 so don't even waste your breath talking about him.
He was tried a lot at tackle during the week of practice but played mostly guard during the game (left and right). He got beat and held playing guard. He got beat and held during one on ones. He got beat and held during the scrimmages. For someone calling people retarded you should learn how to read. I said Eric Berry was head and shoulders above all safeties. Burnett is my favorite safety prospect and that I think he will be a better pro than Thomas. The article was posted because I thought it was good article not to support my point. If you realize, I created a whole separate thred w/ just the article.
Weather written my some Jerkoff, or by Vince lombardi the article was meant to bring some much needed attention to Burnett. There are really 3 safety prospects being heavily discussed on this board, and this Burnett should certainly be considered more. It made me think a little more about Earl Thomas too with that Run/Pass recognition. I still love the guy, but maybe playing Safety in a pass happy conference makes play recognition that much easier. I don't care who wrote it, that guy is as least as credible as anyone on this site for sure.
It is really difficult to evaluate talent, and certainly nobody on this board spends even 1/100th of the time that a real NFL scout does. I have a good deal of respect for a lot of opinions on this site, but I think the bashing of sources needs to stop. Honestly, the best guys in the world scout players day in and day out for a living, and they still can't get it right half the time. Do you know how many people thought Gholston was going to be amazing? Do you know how many teams passed on Brandon Marshall, or Tom Brady, or Colston or 10,000 other guys who ended up late round steals. If pro scouts don't truely know who's going to be good, how can anyone here have so much confidence in their opinions?
Not to mention the inexperience factor. He's only played 2 seasons of college ball. He redshirted his first year, had a solid yet nondescript first season and blew up this year w/ 8 interception. Conversely Burnett played has 3 years under his belt.
Not to belabor the obvious, but take NE for example. They have Randy Moss as a one, but it's their slot guy that makes their offense go. To take that example one step further...It wasn't Reggie Wayne that beat us in the AFCC.
Again, Tate would be option #5 in the offense, he would get MAYBE 10-15 receptions all season. and the following season as a #3 maybe 35-40 receptions. Assuming he is this crazy playmaker for us and averages 15 yards a reception, he would have in total for his first two seasons in the NFL 55 receptions for 825 yards. For a guy we drafted in the first round. Screw that, i would rather draft Freddie Barnes in the 4th, and pay him the same amount of money to excel in the slot and go 45 receptions for 540 yards (12 yards a clip) over the first two yards. Much more average numbers for a young receiver, but we aren't paying him 3-4 million a year, AND we can get a guy who will be able to be a major contributer by the end of his second year in the NFL, as opposed to being the 4th option AT BEST after two seasons in the league. almost everything you attribute to describe Tate, can be used to describe Holmes. Agile, Shifty, Nimble, Quick, ability to get open, playmaker, ability to take it to the house on any play. All attribute Holmes has. He also has the ability to be a #1 in the NFL, something many people think Tate can not be. Also Holmes has 4 years experience in the NFL, so he is already up to speed in the NFL and we know he is a proven commodity. Oh I almost forgot to mention he was a SUPERBOWL MVP less than two years ago. Hell of a response Mambo again good work dthomas. Hobbes, give it up, we all have our favorite prospects in the draft, we want them all on the Jets, but after the trade we just made for Holmes, taking Tate is NOT the right decision at 29. He is still a good player, and will do well in the NFL, but it just will not be in NY with the Jets. What we really need most is a young stud in the making along the DL, an elite safety, and a great pass rusher.
1. Our offense isn't anything like New England's. 2. Reggie Wayne is the Colts' #1 WR. He's on the field on every play. According to your plan, Tate would only play the slot when the Jets run 3 WR or 4 WR sets. Those formations tend to be rarer for run heavy teams. That is terrible value for a #1 pick.
So, to address the point I made, that Cato skipped, exactly how does 3/4 of ONE player makes us better on offense ? or in the following season? We were in the bottom half of the league, in terms of Scoring, Passing (last), 3rd down pct.. and so on. We've already added one blue chip player on the (Number one )defensive side.... Everyone wants to to talk defense (and that is probably where the 29th pick goes...) but....in terms of making the whole team better than it was last year, we've already added more defense, than we have offense. And offense was the weak part of the equation. If you think you're going to the Super Bowl, you're gonna have to score more points, and keep the ball on third downs. (which is why the point you copied about running 60% is grossly inaccurate.) we'll closer to 50/50 than we were last year, unless we're magically up big in games all the time. we were the best running team in football, and still didn't have much to show for it. (7th in T.O.P...even...)
How do you know what our offense is going to be like next year ? and...People are talking ab out drafting a guard, who would not even see the field. (BTW the point I ws making was we got beat by 3rd and fourth receivers in the AFCC, NOT by Reggie Wayne. My thinking would be that if we added a piece like Tate you'd see many 3 wr formations. This offense properly run, requires mutliple receiver formations, shifts, motions etc... I know It's been two years since ole noodle arm left, but after two years of being handcuffed with new QB's I would expect the Offense to open up... As nice as it is to add Holmes (for 3/4 of a season) we still don't have the firepower, nor depth to be dynamic on offense,because to be perfectly honest neither Smith, nor Clowney is going to be productive... As I posted above...I don't think this is where the pick was going. I picked a player, and gave the reasons I'd make the call.
We were in the bottom half of the league on passing because we had a rookie QB who threw 20 picks and our offense was 32 out of 32 in passing attempts on the year and attempts/game The offense was evolving. You're forgetting the fact that the offense was designed last year to shield a rookie QB from mistakes and rely on ball control between the running game and the defense, not to be a scoring powerhouse. You don't make it to the Super Bowl by having your rookie QB throwing the ball 30 times/game. That's how you go 0-16. Sanchez has a full season of experience now, it's time to see how he handles it. But, if you want to improve the offense, how about improving the offensive line by adding depth behind the 33 year old LG and the 32 year old RT, instead of the WR corps with an average age of 27 among it's top three players. You don't need a 4 WR set to pass that much. 3 WRs is all you need for a sophomore QB who threw 20 INTs the previous season, especially when you have a TE who behaves more like a slot WR. Are you really trying to base your whole argument on stat columns? We made it to the fucking AFCC last season and were thirty minutes away from the Super Bowl.
