Cuttable and uncuttable players in 2011

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  1. Mambo9

    Mambo9 Well-Known Member

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    (nyjetscap.com data).

    Cuttable:

    K. Jenkins - Cap Number: 6.4 --- Guaranteed: 1.8 --- Savings: 4.6

    D. Woody ---- CN 4.26 --- G 1.02 --- S 3.24

    B. Thomas
    ---- CN 3.7 --- G 0 --- S 3.7

    L. Tomlinson - CN 3.3 --- G 0.9 --- S 2.4

    J. Leonhard - CN 2.33 --- G 0.33 --- S 2.0

    J. Taylor ---- CN 2.27 --- G 0 --- S 2.27 (has a 12 mill roster bonus coming up in 2011 so he's gone for sure)

    S. Pouha --- CN 2.20 --- G 0.25 --- S 1.95

    B. Hartsock - CN 1.65 --- G 0 --- S 1.65

    M. DeVito - CN 1.52 --- G 0 --- S 1.52


    Tomlinson and Taylor are a lock to go because of age & convenience in cutting them.
    My predicition: CUT.

    Thomas is a lock to get cut but he might be offered a new contract that reflects his real value... (around 1.5 mill)... still it's nice to have the flexibility to take 3.7 mill of the books. We also have to consider the lack of OLBs on this team in 2011.
    My prediction: re-signed to a 2 yrs 4 mill deal.

    Pouha, Hartsock and DeVito are interesting cases. The Jets could save around 1.5 to 2 mill each by cutting them but their contribution on the field seems in line with the money they earn.
    Cutting Pouha would mean we'd have a BIG hole at NT... and those guys are rare.
    DeVito is a borderline starter at DE and it's important to have a strong run-blocking TE for our run game.
    My prediction: New contract for Pouha (2011 is final year), DeVito plays on his contract, Hartsock gets re-worked to 2 yrs 2.8 mill.

    Woody and Jenkins will be difficult decisions. They are up in age and their play is either declining (Woody) or a question mark because of injuries (Jenkins). Cutting Big Jenks will save a ton of money but I think in the end we'll re-work Jenkins contract and cut Woody.
    My prediction: Jenkins re-works to around 4/5 mill a year per 2 yrs if healthy. Woody gets cut unless Ducasse totally busts.

    Leonhard: While it's true that we'd save 2 mill by cutting him and that Pool might outplay him this year I think he'll play on his 2.33 figure.

    Total possible savings: 17.86 mill


    Uncuttable:

    M. Sanchez - CN 16.5 --- G 16.5 --- S 0

    C. Pace
    ---- CN 7.12 --- G 9.04 --- S -1.92

    B. Scott ---- CN 6.65 --- G 4.50 --- S 2.15

    V. Gholston - CN 6.20 --- G 5.80 --- S 0.4

    B. Moore --- CN 4.40 --- G 3.09 --- S 1.31

    J. Cotchery - CN 3.79 --- G 3.33 --- S 0.46

    D. Keller --- CN 1.70 --- G 1.92 --- S -0.22

    Sanchez, Pace, Cotchery and Keller can't be cut because of their talent level and because we wouldn't have any advantage contract-wise.

    Scott and Moore won't be cut because even if it would free up some money their talent far outplays the advantage of having an extra 3 mill available.

    Gholston is a bit of a question mark. Cutting him would only save us 0.4 mill which is nothing but in the end if the CS think he's just a waste of a roster spot they might get rid of him anyways. He has been listed in the un-cuttable section because even if we do cut him it brings no advantage whatsoever salary-wise.
    Also he only has a 0.55 mill salary in 2011... the rest of the money has already been given to him thorugh bonuses.
     
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  2. IATA

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    I think if Gholston shows much of anything this year, he buys himself 2 more years. I like him and hope he makes it.

    Hartsock is deffinetly gone, IMO. You can draft a blocking TE in most any round, and probly one who isn't so penalty prone.
     
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    Hartsock made some costly mistakes last season, but he's a lot more valuable than a lot of people give him credit for.

    He's a very good blocking tight end.
     
  4. Mr Electric

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    I don't think LT will be cut. I think he'll play out his contract in New York and then retire.

    He most definitely won't meet the incentives that are in his contract, so he'll only be making about 2.5 million per season.

    Vlad Ducasse should have nothing to do with the decision to keep or release Damien Woody.
     
  5. Jetfanmack

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    He'll have something to do with it, only to the extent that the Jets might see him play and feel he's a better fit at right tackle.

    If the Jets feel that's the case, they might shift him out there, dump Woody, and use either Slauson or a FA/rookie at left guard in 2011.

    But if he starts at LG, and the Jets want to keep him there, then Woody's play will be the primary factor whether he stays or goes.
     
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    After everything that I've read about this kid over the last month, I think he was drafted specifically to play guard.

    He's certainly got the ability to play tackle, because that was his position in college, but his upside is as an interior lineman and I think Bill Callahan knows that.

    Ducasse should turn out to be a hell of a pull guard.
     
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    The ONLY reason Ghost leaves would be to create a roster spot. He will not be released for the purpose of saving money. That $400k savings we'll get, would be spent on his replacement plus some more.
     
  8. Jetfanmack

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    Agreed. But you never know until you see them in games.

    As for Hartsock, DeVito, Pouha, and the other guys who aren't owed a lot of money, you play it by ear. Look at Marques Douglas this year. He hasn't signed anywhere. With players like this, the Jets can afford to wait it out, see who they can extend and who they can't, and then fill out these depth spots late in the offseason when they see how much room they have left.

    This year, we signed Hartsock pretty early because we have literally nothing else at tight end, and once he got past his penalties, he was an extremely helpful blocker.
     
  9. Mambo9

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    LdT's contract doesn't agree with you.

    http://www.nyjetscap.com/ladainiantomlinson.html


    As for Ducasse I think a year at G might bring him up to NFL speed and enable him to move to RT when Woody retires... after all he did play college football in a small college and needs some time to gain confidence on the NFL stage.
    Woody played C, G and T so it's not like once you start in a role on the OL that's where you'll play your entire life.
    We'll see...
     
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    First of all, it's LT...not LT2 or LdT.

    ...and yes, it does. He's really not making THAT much money for everything that he's going to bring to this team.

    Unless Greene and McKnight greatly improve their blitz recognition and pass protection, Tomlinson will be a Jet in 2011.

    McKnight was drafted to fill a similar role, but he'll have to be LT's understudy for a while.

    Vlad Ducasse was drafted to play guard. That's more than likely where he'll play.

    I know Woody played all over the place and so did Pete Kendall, but Ducasse didn't play at a Boston College or an Ohio State. He played left tackle at UMASS, but his skill set translates to guard. He's got great feet and that will allow him to be an excellent pull guard.

    I'm on board with letting him practice at tackle if Matt Slauson wins the left guard job, but my money's on Ducasse.
     
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    Leonhard is only making 2.3 million in 2011, it would be retarded to cut him.

    He knows this defense inside and out and just plays the game, no BS.


    He's also one of the leaders and current mentors. We can't find anyone else that knows the safeties job in Rex's D for 2 million.

    2011 is Sione Pouha's contract year, I'd like to see what he can do and for 2 million I can live with that.
     
  12. NDmick

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    Cuttable doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be cut.

    They are just players with numbers that don't hurt a cap that doesn't exist right now.

    Jimmy will stay here until his production dies out and he's too slow for the position. By that time plenty of other players can teach the defense.
     
  13. Mambo9

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    Looking at these figure I was wondering if there's any possibility Big Jenks gets cut after this season... after all he'd free up 4.6 mill which would come very handy to re-sign someone and how many snaps will he play at 32 with 2 ACL injuries and a 350+ frame.

    Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Big Jenks... just wondering if we won't be better off to use those 4 mill he'd free up to re-sign a Cromartie...
     
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    Intresting, I dont know about Woody, this is a big year for a bunch of those guys. I say Leonhard is basically a lock to stay. I think Woody may get his walking papers, but I think Jenkins signs a short term deal
     
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    You mean that he re-works his contract? I'd hope so but you don't see it often in the NFL that guys re-work their contract to take less money...
     
  16. VanderbiltJets

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    Cut LT either way. Re-work his deal and keep him on board if it's worth the money/roster spot.
     
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    I think Woody gets cut if Ducasse looks like he can handle it. The Jets have shown they'd rather cut a guy a year too early than a year too late, which I like.

    Also if Gholston shows ANYTHING he'll stay. This move to DE could be a good one because he doesn't have to be splashy, just hold the edge. No one in this organization wants to admit they were wrong, which is understandable with the #6 pick.

    I think that in p/t action Jenkins will have a good year, but if the Jets win the SB he'll retire. Otherwise, I think they'll keep him in one more year, p/t and draft his replacement in the 2011 draft.
     
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    The problem with Gholston is he also has a 2.5 roster bonus due around March 2011...
     
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    Ah, I didn't know that. Unless he has a great year, that's going to be tough for them to swallow. Especially when there's so many great players to be signed.

    Huh. Maybe they'll just have to replace him with a UDFA after next year's draft.
     
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    I reeeeaalllly hope DeVito steps up this year... at least we'd have one certainty at DE...
     

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