I think A LOT more players and coaches LOVED Brett than people were lead on by the media and the twisted stories I hear people parroting. It's absolutely crazy to read one of those regurgitated Favre stories written on the fly with no players directly quoted and then to listen to Westoff talk about the experience with Favre in NY.... Day and Night. The Great media story especially in the World Of Brett Favre hate was that Brett failed and was a recluse who didn't help anyone and bombed out to end the season.... To me, he was a big part of a team that took a huge step forward, peaked too early and when healthy was a definite contender and at one point had Super Bowl talk going on after defeating the Undefeated Titans and Patriots.... To me injuries and coaching killed that season.... And related to this thread... The Favre experiment was hardly costly... It wasn't like some draft pick or FA locked into a mutli billion dollar deal or anything... It didn't hurt the Jets long term at all - We can debate on how much fun we had that season individually but, like I said at the time - the long term effect is and would be minimal - To me it was alsways worth taking the shot for a season.... Hardly deserves a mention in a "Worst Decisions of a decade" thread....
My biggest gripe was when we moved form a 3-4 defense (Parcells/Groh) to a 4-3 (Herm) which we didn't have the players to run. Got rid of all the 3-4 players and brought in 4-3 guys and then switched back again (Mangini), tried to fit square pegs into round holes, and had to replace all the 4-3 guys with players that could play a 3-4. Screwed up our defense (and draft) for years.
Good one... They also hired Ted Cotrell to run the 4-3 defense and while runners ran right through his defense Herm and Ted just scratched their asses and had zero answers. The whole 4-3 thing should have never happened and this team would have been much better off.... That includes never drafting DROB a 4-3 player.
Actually wasn't thomas Jones critical of favre? Jones was the most respected guy in that LR and if he;'s critical of favre don't you think others would be too? Favre and Coaching killed that season to me.
Of course, when Favre plays injured it's not mentioned. If it were Pennington we'd be reading about his injury for years. Favre's injury and coaching ruined the season. I don't think we would have done much in the playoffs with that defense anyway.
Keep in mind, of course, that Edwards coached the Jets into the playoffs more times than any other coach in the history of the team. I'm not saying that the guy was a perfect coach (he wasn't) but declaring his hiring to be the worst mistake of the decade is ridiculous. It's not even close to drafting Gholston, Robertson, or Nugent, or letting Kendall go without a replacement, or the entire handling of the Brett Favre mess.
Favre hurt himself months earlier, why wasn't it affecting him at NE, at Ten, at Buf? all of a sudden it starts affecting him against den? He prides himself on playing through any injury, he started playing like he did earlier in thes eason against den and down the stretch. His arm was good enough to make all the throws, he was just making awful decisions.
Those teams were successful despite Herm's best efforts at failure. That 2004 team wins the superbowl if they have something even close to a competent coach running things. This a guy that needed to hire an assistant specifically to deal with the clock and still couldn't manage the clock when it mattered.
That's a ridiculous double standard--you can't give Herm all of the blame for those teams problems but none of the credit for their successes. Like I said before, Edwards was not a particularly good coach. But ranking his hiring above the abortion that was trading up and drafting Robertson is flat out stupid.
Nope, it's just he was one of your vendettas like Jay Wright, herm, etc... it turend out to be a bad move but again we got one high level season out of him and he strated for us for 5 years. Gholston has done nothing for us and has 4 starts in 2 years only b/c a player was suspended 4 games in front of him. :rofl::rofl: The fatc that the 2004 team even had a chance to get to the title game was miraculous. We were playing w/ a weak armed QB who was playing w/ a torn rotator cuff in his throwing shoulder and we were playing w/o our best defensive player yet we had two cahnces to make a makeable FG to make the title game. Even 100% healthy that team isn't beating the 2004 Pats. Bill Parcells once hired an assistant to watch the clock, he gave the idea to herm. 90% of coaches are terrible at clock mgmt, watch games around the league and you will see. I was talking about the 2007 team, he was a rookie in 2007. The poster said we had the same team in 2008 that we had in 2007 besides Favre and that couldn't be further from the truth.
lol.. Who are you.. Mike Florio. Jones, clarified those comments that the media again Jumped on due to the Favre phenomenon... I feel like I'm correcting Some Florio news slant here... unbelievable but, here goes... I thought Jone's comments were taken out of context and also right after the heat of battle and related more to Favres effectiveness in that last game and basically he was saying that Favre shouldn't be out there if he was hurt.... It was not an opinion on Brett Favre overall and his contributions to the team for the season... Here's an article Mike: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3806019 Jones: 'I've got most respect for Brett New York Jets running back Thomas Jones clarified on Friday his critical comments of earlier this week on Brett Favre, saying he would expect the record-setting quarterback to answer questions the same way about him if he had performed poorly. "I've got most respect for Brett," Jones said in an interview on ESPN's "First Take." "He's one of the best quarterbacks of all time. He's a great teammate, you know, he brought a lot to our team this year." Jones said his aim in doing a radio interview Tuesday with New York's Hot 97 FM wasn't to talk about Favre or the Jets but to promote his music business. "I didn't go up there [to] participate in Brett Favre questions," he said. "So when she asked me the question about interceptions, I answered it, as far as how I felt from the game -- the Miami game." Favre threw three interceptions in the Jets' season-ending 24-17 loss to Miami that clinched the AFC East for the Dolphins. The Jets' 1-4 finish kept them out of the playoffs and helped trigger Eric Mangini's firing as coach. "The other day, the three interceptions really hurt us. I mean, that's just reality," Jones told the radio station. "If I were to sit here and say, 'Oh, man, it's OK,' that's not reality. ... I don't like it, I know everybody else on the team doesn't like it. "If somebody is not playing well, they need to come out of the game," Jones told Hot 97 FM. "You're jeopardizing the whole team because you're having a bad day. To me, that's not fair to everybody else. You're not the only one on the team. So when you get to the wire and somebody is just giving the game up, I mean, it's just not [fair]." Reviewing Favre vs. Rodgers Wins say Brett Favre. Stats say Aaron Rodgers. Neither made the playoffs. So who had the better year? Depends on how you measure it, Gene Wojciechowski writes. Column Favre threw nine interceptions and only two touchdown passes in the Jets' final five games. On Friday, Jones said his interview with the radio station "got chopped up." "I'm not the type of person that goes out there and just throws people under the bus or make comments about people," Jones said. "Either I answer a question honestly, realistically, or I don't answer it at all." Jones said he limited the scope of his remarks to Favre's Sunday turnovers. "The only thing that I could give my opinion on was the interceptions. And that's what I did," he said. "As far as him coming out of the game, that's not my call just like if I'm [in] the game and I'm not playing well, and I have two or three fumbles, that's not my call." The nine-year veteran said he hasn't discussed the comments with Favre but likely would. "I'll talk to Brett. Everything is cool with me and Brett. He's a great guy," Jones said. "We have a lot of fun over there at work. I answered the question. I would expect him to answer the question the same way about me if I had two fumbles and it was a situation where I wasn't playing well and he answered the question the same way. I wouldn't look at him any different. I wouldn't be sensitive to the answer because we all know in this league you have to protect the football to win." Jones, who finished the season with 1,312 yards -- 23 yards short of his career high set with the Chicago Bears in 2005 -- was held to 23 yards Sunday on 10 carries. Leon Washington led the Jets on the ground with 60 yards. "Bottom line, we make a lot of money in this league to go out there and make plays and win football games, and as a team everybody has to be accountable," Jones said. "I have a great relationship with Brett." Jones said the team as a whole was ultimately responsible for Sunday's loss. "We were driving and we were in position a couple of times. ... And it didn't work out," he said Friday. "Nobody's perfect, trust me. I'm not perfect by any means. Brett Favre's not perfect by any means. "There's not one person on that team when we win a game. Everybody on that team contributed. The trainers, the practice squad guys, everybody on that team contributed. When we lose a game, everybody's included. Everybody could always do something better. "So of course when things aren't going the way you want them to go it's not a personal attack on that player as an individual performance. We get paid a lot of money to make plays."
Good one. That was asinine. The same owner and GM who pulled the strings that year suddenly magically incredibly changed philosophy once the stadium w/psl's was being built. ; ) We got Favre, all the moves this year etc... Mangini has a good first year and the front office did NOTHING to improve the team, and the Kendall move did kill the season. We lost to the Pats in the playoffs in 2006, we do nothing , NE adds Moss... Horrendous offseason. The Gholston pick pales in comparison. No one expected it to be a bust.
The Pete Kendall thing wasn't totally the Jets fault... Pete's agent and Pete signed a brand new deal... Just months later after the market for guards shot up they all of a sudden claimed that the jets gave them a wink and a nod and a shake under the table saying he would get more money later... WHAT!!!!!!!???????? Why would anyone sign a new contract that didn't include the entire deal???? That never made sense IMO and I think Pete Kendal and his agent played dirty and held the Jets hostage - Jets didn't want to cave in to that BS play.... Pete took his signing bonus money and then wanted more money on top of his new deal - RIDICULOUS... I thinkj Pete was brainwashed by a craft agent. yeah, it had an effect on the season But, again, When I think of THE WORST deals of the last 10 years I think of moves that set the franchise back mulitple years - Like USING TWO 1st ROUND DRAFT PICKS AND SPENDING MILLIONS ON ONE GUY..... Pete could have and should have been replaced that year.. He wasn't THAT good. Losing Pete Freaking Kendall at G isn't going to come close to my list, sorry.... He's just not that much of an impact player, the team had other problems that year.
That article proves what? he gives the politically correct response after he takes heat for his intial comments. That is telling us nothing and he wasn't the only one to speak out. if you think every player loved him your head is buried in the sand. Do you think the jets had more fun making the title game in 2009 or playing w/ Bret in 2008? The goal is to win, he had everything on his side- good team, Brady out, easy sched and he couldn't even get us to the playoffs.
