The Jets did have other problems but losing Pete in btw the young C and young LT was HUGE and the dispute was a distraction all offseason. Mangini and co. got full of themselves after a successful 1st year and he tried to play hard ball and lost. I hope we aren't seeing a repeat w/ other good LR guys being shown the door.
I wouldn't rank that anywhere near the worst decision I just happen to think Rich Kottite probably could have taken those teams to the playoffs if Herm managed to do it.
I know the question involves the last 10 years, but the worst decision (in 40+ years of bad decisions) this franchise ever made was leaving New York to play in the shadow of the Giants in New Jersey, and then with the opportunity to make it right a few years ago, agreeing to do the EXACT SAME THING, and remain the only NFL team without its own stadium. Despite all the green, its still Giants stadium, no matter what they call it.
This is the kind of post that is Exhibit A for what is the worst kind of post here. We are all Jet Fans. I follow this team. I think there is merit to saying hiring Edwards was the worst move of the last ten years. I can understand if you have a different pov, but there is nothing "flat out stupid" about my view. Nor is it ridiculous. Any move being questioned has to be viewed in context. Let's talk for comparison about in game coaching decisions. If an HC makes a call in OT of the SB and loses the game, is that the same as an HC of a team that went 2-14 with the worst team in the league making a questionable call to lose one of those 14? Yes in the sense a call in that context can be equally bad, but some here like Henry would say "at least he got his team to the SB!" That's not the question. Edwards took over a team that he slowly but surely ran into the ground. The team he took over had much more potential than he was able to realize with it. He was a secondary coach, and we saw a succession of lousy, overpaid, underperforming cb's and safeties rotate through. The OL a the beginning was one of the best in the league. A succession of moves later and the team saw the OL decline so fast they had to spend two first round picks to turn it around, and it still had huge holes in it. Edwards's apologists would like to ignore how he let Cotchery sit on the bench while Herm played a succession of awful cast offs from other teams like McCariens go out there and get all the playing time. Henry may have forgotten how Edwards's departure meant Cotch went from starting one game to all sixteen the next year. Then there's the putrid and never fixed game management idiocies. Changing the base D set without the right people. Bringing in Fiedler to back up Chad when both were as durable as a China Doll. Here comes Bollinger. I know it's painful to remember, but we actually had Cliff Kingsbury on the roster at Qb in 05. And don't answer the personnel moves were not Edwards's responsibility. He ran the team and had input. Badway and him were a team. If it makes you feel better you can say hiring both of them and giving them control was the worst move, far worse than even the Robertson debacle, but Edwards was worse than Terry. "Flat out stupid"? Nice.
thank you, and I agree. Edwards defenders always start and end with THE TEAM getting to the playoffs. Those teams had talent. AND a lousy HC. It's a team sport. Teams are stronger here, weaker there. Some have better receivers. Some have better linemen. The Jets during Edwards stay had talent. But not at HC. End of story.
So, it's okay to 'speak out' but it's not okay to trash talk? Because I heard that interview and it sounded a little trashy. And no, he didn't do the politically correct thing - he didn't even take responsibility for his comments. He said the interview was 'chopped up'.
1987-2000 w/o Herm(14 seasons): made postseason 2 times 2001-2005 w/ Herm(5 seasons): made it 3 times previous 2 years w/o Herm- missed playoffs Herm's first 2 years- made playoffs We had 3 coaches walk out on us, 3 coaches desperate to win. We had GOOD talent, we didn't have this amazing collection of talent that any coach could have won w/. We choked in 2000, we were on the verge of doing it again in '01 and he kept the team together and we made the playoffs, in '02 it would have been easy to quit but at 1-4, 2-5 he kept the team together and we won only our 2nd ever AFC East Title. The man was not Vince Lombardi but he wasn't Rich Kotite either. What a reach, where did I say it was ok? Did I have the power to stop him? How does this compare to coaches taking shots at players after they leave? He was making an excuse about his comments b/c it stirred things up. You guys will believe anything anyone tells you as long as it is what you want to hear.
It's in your terminology. You call it 'trashtalk' when it's a current player or coach talking about past players or future matchups, but use the favorable term 'speak out' when Jones gets caught talking without his filter on and then tries to weasel out of it afterward by saying the interview was chopped up. All because one was talking about Favre, who you hate, and the other is not.
I believe I said in that other thread that it's one thing for players to do that, it's another for coaches. I don't think our coaches should be bashing guys when they leave. One has nothing to do w/ the other but you are rwaching to try to make a point for some reason.
If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you. Not related at all, I just love that quote. I think it may apply a wee bit though.
Whoa.. Spin Much??? I never said EVERY player loved him - I said a lot more loved him than what the Anti-Favre Media leached on to.... Please don't tell me you disagree that the media jumps on anything Favre and blows iot out of proportion... Oh but, I get it this one story was dead on and many Jets hate Brett Favre... ok. And yeah, I believe Jones and Favre have a good relationship..... I can't believe I have to explain that article to a Jets fan and the difference between what Jones said about that game and any player who didn't perform and what a player means to a team for a season... But, whatever, you're dug deep inm the sand again and I didn't expect you to read that and admit you were wrong... I've seen it before, you are dug in deep with this one... I still think the 1 year trial of Brett Favre is no where near a top blunder of the decade and even if the guy threa 40 INTs and stunk up the joint, it was only a season, again, not a 1st round pick or more and tons of LONG TERM money... You asking me if the player had more fun winning more games in 09' is just assinine and has nothing to do with the discussion....
Ummm, I'm pretty sure it was Pete Kendall and his agent who got full of themselves... They signed a new contract... And I see you bought in to the Mike Florio "Jets don't treat their players well" Bull shit Mantra... IMO, the Jets haven't lost one player that they wantred to keep. And Pete Kendall was no "Good Guy" nor was he young...
Yep and you have no proof that alot more players loved him than didn't. You are brining up meaningless points. None of us were in the locker room, we don't know if he was loved or not. you seem to think every player and coach tells the truth in interviews. I said it wasn't the biggest blunder of the '00s b/c of what we got out of it w/ Rex and sanchez but if we didn't get those guys it could have been the biggest blunder since it cost is a division title. where did I say Pete was young? I said he was btw a young C and a young LT and was a big influence on them and a good LR guy. You buy everything the Jets tell you, huh? I'm guessing you think PSLs are going fast too. So the Jets didn't screw that up? Pete got paid and went to a playoff bound team, we went on to be 4-12. Who won in that situation?
And you have no proof that the players hated him.... I thought TJ's explanation about "THE GAME" vs liking Favre as a team mate was pretty obvious and made sense but, you can stick to the one side and enjoy that slant. So, There was TJ's quote and a Cotchery quote that said he wished if Favre came back he would participate in offseason work - LIKE ANY PLAYER WOULD WISH FOR A TEAM MATE... LOL... OK, so the Jets with Pennington added that year win a Division title and obviously contend for the Super Bowl (That's what Division winnder do right?) - even though some no name QB's were crushing their defense to end the season..... Alrighty then. And the final record of the Jets and the Redskins has nothing to do with who was right or who was wrong in the Kendal negotations.... Pete signed a new deal.. For the Jets to rip that up and give him a new one after the Guard market shot up would be ridiculous and would set an amazingly bad precedent... Kendall and his agent backed the Jets up into a corner, took the signing bonus money the Jets gave them already and ran knowing the Jets couldn't redo a damn thing and they could get paid again. What the Jets should have done was sign another decent guard.... Pete Kendall did what he needed to do to get Paid TWICE and it was unfortunate that he and his agent plaed the douche card - but, as fans we can at least understand what logically went on here.... And no... I've been a darksider for a long time as a Jets fan but, I'm loving everything Rex and I don't think this current regime lost and dissed any player they viewed as a core player... Unless you want to start naming them and we can go deeper.
So we'll agree we don't know how he went over in the locker room. I don't know if we contend for the SB w/ Chad, I know if he stayed healthy like he did in Miami we easily would have won the division and you can't get to a SB w/o first getting to postseason. I'm pretty sure Pete and the Jets both had valid points but at the end of the day they both hurt our team so I was annoyed w/ both. I don;t remember how long he was signed for but we signed him in 2004 and he claims(likemothers) that the Jets promised they'd rework his deal. Was he lying? I don't know. I pretty much agree w/ the last sentence BUT that doesn't mean we can't sign a player just b/c they aren't a core player. obviously we wouldn't give them a huge deal but we don't have to tell players we are going to take care of them and never do it. We know Revis, mangold, Brick and Harris will be take care of but you can see from their point of view how they could be skeptical of that w/ what has gone on in the recent past.
But, what REALLY went on in the past that hasn't gone on in sports forever yet now we have Mike Florio and Rich Cimini on caffiene around blogging about it every minute to make it into some sort of soap opera so, they get more net "hits". The players like Revis, Mangold, Brick and Harris have to open their eyes and grasp the simple concept that an NFL team has limited money to spend on contracts - Their Buddy's Faneca and Thomas Jones were let go because 1) The team needs every penny to pay guys asking for top CB money or top Center money in the league.... Hello Mr Revis, Hello Mr Mangold - You don't whine an cry about your friends being gone on one hand and ask for the biggest deal at your position on the other without looking clueless IMO. 2) At some point you have to make the hard decision to go young - they happened to have confidence in the OL and the RB's... they roll the dice that must be rolled at some point. I said it back when those guys were let go and Cimini and Florio ran with the story that the Jets screw theri players - Yet now yesterday Cimini is FINALLY acknowledging what I said in January that players would have to get the boot to pay top salaries on the Jets.... I don' think there is anything shocking for Revis and Mangold - You use some common sens boys - The NFL is in flux with the CBA, the Jet have to clear room to pay top salaries - and they also have a lot coming up at one time - it is what it is.... If you want to maybe make the $$$ the 3rd best CB or Center makes then come to us about giving a few million to your buddies but, stop with the Jets lack respect and the Jets aren't doing the right thing Bullshit - It's obvious that getting all this done is improtant and not easy - if you want to play on a winning team - that team has to make tough decisions and do the right this FOR ALL... The Pats lost a lot of percieved top players over the years and every time fans said, whoa that's it they can't win without that guy but, yet they do...
lets make this short and sweet. some people actually enjoy the new attitude and bravado that radiates from Rex down to the equipment guy. some people would rather sit on there hands and talk about how good they are after the fact. rinse and repeat and you have the last few pages of this thread
I don't think they screwed Faneca and Jones at all. The problem is we signed LT for similar money when we could have kept Jones in the LR. To be clear I wanted Jones to stay but I am happy e/ LT as I think he'll be good fr us in a limited role and obviously he's a better pass catcher. Faneca was a head scratcher but I get they wanted his money off the books for next year. Those guys weren't promised new deals, SUPPOSEDLY others were and supposedly revis and co. have been promised the same thing. I fully expect these guys will get their deals but I understand their line of thinking as far as skipping OTAs or even TC.
