First Take: Contenders or Pretenders?

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  1. The Uniform Bomber

    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

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    (I looked for this and didn't see it in the main forum, so if it already exists, I apologize)

    I know First Take is garbage, but I caught this today. If nothing else, at least there's a player (Shaun Phillips) on this segment's panel; I'll accept an active player's opinion as more credible and legit than Skip Bayless or Fuckcessa or whoever else.

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5395574
     
  2. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I didn't think anything Bayless said was unreasonable.
     
  3. dcm1602

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    If we had a reliable #3 HB I dont think theres anyone who could say we arent a top 3 team to make it to the superbowl in the afc period.

    We saw last year that when Green went down the offense collapsed which is why id love to see us grab a FA running back like Lendale White as an insurance policy, but obviously something like that is impossible since we already have like 6 or 7 running backs on the roster.

    His concerns are legit, but I think he exaggerates them. Even without a great pass rusher our defense will still be beastly. And with our recieving corp even without Green id be confident in our offense to move the ball through the air
     
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    No to Lendale White. He would be a big mistake. Even at the league minimum.
     
  5. TommyGreen

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    I'm not exactly sure how anyone signed as a #3 HB could be considered a BIG mistake.
     
  6. The Uniform Bomber

    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

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    Attempting to put aside my general distaste for him, I guess he didn't say anything unreasonable; but I feel like his opinion (and others who share it) regarding TJ and Faneca is hyperbolic.

    The Jets let go of Faneca for several reasons, one of them being that his play is and has been on the decline, especially in Pass-Blocking. But no one ever mentions that. Instead, it's a "major loss" for the Jets because of his leadership qualities on & off the field. IMO, that's not a huge factor because the OL is now mature and cohesive enough that they (4/5) are vets and leaders.

    As far as TJ goes, I don't think he will be a major loss either -- a loss, yes, but not as dire as is being portrayed.

    Where I do agree with him is that Shonn Greene has been nicked up a lot, and if, consequently, that means LT will be relied upon even more, then it's definitely possible he either won't produce or also get banged up. And that will lead to more pressure on Sanchez. But I disagree that Sanchez won't step up.

    As far as the D goes, there really isn't a weak spot, even if there's no superstar pass-rusher. The combination of Pace+Taylor+Jenkins' return+Rex's/Pettine's scheme doesn't require an elite pass-rusher (e.g. Ware, Freeney, etc) that other Defenses require. Furthermore, the point about the detriment of blitzing DBs isn't as applicable to this team either because now the other CBs (Cromartie and Wilson) are totally capable of blanketing the #2 and #3 WRs.
     
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    This guy bitched about Chris Johnson getting more carries than him. uhh....nope. We don't need that here. Sure he'd love to be number 3 on the depth chart.
     
  8. The Uniform Bomber

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    What's the latest on McKnight? I feel like the only thing I've heard about him is that he threw up in the initial practice. Is/will he be ready in the event he has to carry the rock a significant amount?
     
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    I hate to defend the TJ decision again, but we all remember watching him run earlier in the season and cringing.
     
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    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I don't necessarily agree w/him but he had reasonable arguments.

    Faneca sucked in pass pro but was still a big part of the #1 rushing attack. Jones' durability could be missed should Greene continue his unhealthy streak.

    Him not liking blitzing DB's to get pressure isn't unreasonable either. I disagree but it's a valid argument which is all he was doing (arguing a side).
     
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    Wow that skip bayless guy was a huge douche bag. People like that just don't have any real football knowledge. They just spout out regurgitated rumors and media news.
     
  13. ScotsJet

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    We will know whether we are contenders when Cimini starts telling us how many interceptions Sanchez has thrown in camp. Always one of his favourite statistics.
     
  14. 1968jetsfan

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    Skip Bayliss is notorius for being wrong, like his guarentee that the Celtics would beat the Lakers and it wouldn't be close. His reasoning, they beat the Lakers 2 years ago.

    Now his concern about needing secondary to blitz, I agree, and I feel like puking for agreeing with Bayliss on a point.
     
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    acorrding to a lot of tgg members, no ones opinion on the jets matter, whether its from espn, nfl network, yahoo sports e.c.t.

    its funny how most of you think you know more than people who cover sports for a living.

    now skip bayless on the other hand always tries to be different because he knows the camera is on, sometimes i agree w/him, and sometimes i dont.

    in this case i dont, just because we dont have a guy thats gonna have 15 sacks this season, has nothing to do whether we are gonna have a good or bad defense.
     
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    The only thing I disagree with Bayless is when said he wasn't sold on Sanchez if we needed to depend on him to win us some games if and when our running game goes down or is struggling. Other than that, I don't think his arguments were as far fetched as he's been known to do.
     
  17. Big Blocker

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    I agree to a point, but I think the Jets were also expecting Faneca to continue to decline this year.

    Signing Faneca was a smart move because he was available as a starter to fill the biggest hole on the team the previous year, he still played reasonably well and perhaps most important he filled not just the hole but the leadership by example role between Ferguson and Mangold.

    But Ferguson and Mangold have since matured, I think fully, and imo no longer need someone on the squad leading them. Meanwhile as I said Faneca's play is in decline.

    In the end it will all come down to how well his replacement plays, but I am reasonably confident we will not see Ferguson and Mangold show ill effects in their play from Faneca's leaving.
     
  18. ace_o_spades

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    That was actually one of the most reasonable debates they've ever had on First and 10. Only thing is I wished they talked about the offense more (adding Santonio Holmes is a huge move)
     
  19. penny10jet

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    There's noone in sports broadcasting who I hate more than Skip Bayless. He's an unknowledgable, untalented, unfunny hater. He has never played a down of football in his life and knows less about football strategy than my mom. I take nothing he says seriously or even close to seriously.
     
  20. tjet73

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    Skip Bayless is crazy. Talk, talk, talk, and can't back it up. Did he watch the second half of the season last year. They did everything they said they were going to do except get to the Super Bowl. The Jets have added some good players this off-season. I agree with the other guys, they can't help but be contenders.
     

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