actually...Jetblue was alluding to the fact that it's difficult to make it to the SuperBowl game...and that a Super Bowl berth in itself shouldn't be the sole barometer in measuring a team's success. Nowhere in his post does he claim that it's "unusual" for a team to win 3 super bowls.
You are also incorrect. Here is the exchange Originally Posted by championjets69 View Post Naturally I do not expect to win it every year. But if the Pats can win it 3 out of 10 we should be able to also. the fact that very few teams do so, it is completely asinine to take what is obviously a very rare occurrence and use that as your criteria for success.
what the?! that's exactly what i just said....Jetblue doesn't believe that making the superbowl should be used as the sole barometer in measuring a team's success....and he's absolutely correct in thinking that.
This I agree with. Hopefully we will see a Qb ready to lead a Sb ready team. I do believe we have a chance this year even though our schedule is rough this year.
I wouldn't call the Rams a complete and utter failure if they were to go 9-7 this year and miss the playoffs. I'd would say that is pretty successful after what happened last year.
You know I am glad you brought up this subject. I googled & regoogled & regoogled again to find out if the owners stripped the NEPs of those titles & came up with a big blank. Then I went to Yahoo search & again came up with nothing. Finally I went to Bing & they to had nothing about the Pats being stripped of those VLTs which means the other 31 owners of NFL teams feel that the NEPs won those trophies fair & square.
OK everyone is entitles to there HO even though I disagree with you since anything less then winning the SB is a unsuccessful season. Shucks even our coach RR is on record as saying that also so he is my side of the ledger.
I believe success is an iterative approach, Champ. Meaning....there's a series of attainable milestones that are set, leading towards an ultimate goal... in this case, a SuperBowl. When a milestone is reached, I would consider that a success for the team...while still working towards the final goal. example of a milestone: becoming a perennial playoff contender The vibe i'm getting from you is that you're an "all or nothing" type. Tunnel vision right to the prize. Superbowl or bust. If no superbowl, then there is no success. That's a very negative approach to measuring a team's success, Champ. I think you need to broaden you horizons a bit....and show a little more leniency. I know you've been suffering since 1969.....but guess what....that's life.
I have a suggestion. Now I know you are a Dolphin fan and you would normally think well, " If he told me to do this it is only because I am a Dolfan"........ I would tell my brother the same, as a Jets fan. Before you wait for a reply to your reasonable post above, run as fast as you can into a brick wall for as many times as you can for as long as you remain conscious....... You do that and you will get a better result. Trust me and you will thank me later!
ROTFFLMAO. You don't know Champ. To him, there is no difference between 0-16 and a division title with a losing Super Bowl appearance. It's all or nuthin with Champ, been that way since I got here, and no amount of debate will ever change his opinion.
The vibe I'm getting from Champ, and have been all along, is that he wants to see a VLT next year, because he's in his 60's (probably) and doesn't want to die without seeing the Jets hoist the trophy again. Life is short. It's easy to be an 80 year old Sox fan who never saw them win. I'm 49 and I support Champ 100% in his desire to see the Jets as unsuccessful if they don't win a Super Bowl next year. I have different criteria for success, but Champ's criteria is completely valid in my opinion.
Well...Champ better curb his expectations....because the NFL is a different animal than it was back in the 60's and 70's. Championship teams aren't built overnight....it takes a good 3-6 years to rebuild a team, if done the right way (which the Jets don't have a very good history of doing...as we all know). I understand Champ has been through a shitload of different regimes over the last 3 decades.....but that's the nature of the beast. Finding smart football people to run a franchise isn't an easy task.
Sorry U are complicating the heck out of some that is quite easy The regular season is played to get to the POs The POs are played to get to the SB The SB is played to determine the supposed WORLD CHAMPIONs of the FB world With 32 teams in the league that means 31 wind up on the losers side or junk pile if you desire since there are no medals or trophies for finishing second thru 32 Hope you can understand that not only FB but ALL sports works that way. 1 winner & all else are losers which then = a UNSUCCESSFUL season which in case you are unaware that NYJs have had for the last 41 years Here is some reading material for you which makes it crystal clear that anything less then winning the VLT is a unsuccessful season http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/...-bust-for-robust-ryan?tag=globalNav.nfl;cover
I stop reading after the first line of your post.....i'm not complicating things in the least. 1. T-Bird is right...you're beyond reasonable 2. You should probably stay away from professional sports as a hobby...maybe gardening is your bag. 3. You don't understand what success is and what it takes to build a winner. You're clueless.
Actually I think it is exactly the other way around & that you should try some other hobby like stamp collecting or some thing else along those lines. One more time so that you are not misunderstanding me if the the NYJs are one of the 31 losing teams that do not win the VLT then there season was unsuccessful no matter if they win a AFCE division title, no matter if they go 18-0 like the Pats did a few years ago. All that matters is winning WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPs. If you do not win that VLT then you are losing team just like the 30 other teams in the league
this is post is borderline retarded.....the only thing keeping it from being "full blown retarded"....is because i know you're a senile old man. I'm done debating this with you, Champ.....you're not an objective/reasonable person (notice I didn't say fan) at all. the fact that i'm half your age, and I'm able to look at sports from an objective point of view more effectively than you can....you should be embarrassed.
