The Impact of the February Cuts (2011 dead cap money can be avoided?)

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  1. brothermoose

    brothermoose Well-Known Member

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    Are you even a Jets fan? Cotchery is slated to make $1.8 million next year. Even if he wasn't one of the best Jets of the last decade. That would be a stupid move. Add to that the fact that he is a 1000 yard receiver with a decent supporting cast, never complains, took his demotion like a professional, and leaves his heart out on the field on every play; I have to question just what in the hell you are thinking. ?!!
     
  2. Jets n Boys

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    Fuck that bitch named salary cap. She does what I tell her to do. If I say ride, she better ride. If I say choke on this, she better choke. Thats like my bitch...
     
  3. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    With all Cotchs drops last year you have to wonder if he still productive enough at whatever salary level he is at vs getting in another Cotch type receiver who is far more dependable then Cotch turned out to be this last season :jets:
     
  4. ManlyGenius

    ManlyGenius New Member

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    You don't really get the salary cap do you?

    He's a good player and I'd like to keep him but he's fairly expensive in cap space (although not in salary).

    Cotchery is only going to get paid 1.8 million next year but he will take up 3.8 million in cap space because he's been paid so much in bonuses in the past.

    Cotch is a pro's pro and a good warrior, but I don't think he's worth $3.8 million-in fact, if you structure the contract right, you could probably get Holmes or Braylon for 3.8 million in 2011 (and a lot more in the future)
     
  5. brothermoose

    brothermoose Well-Known Member

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    I'll take six years of production over one season at a new position with a sophomore QB as a fair indication of his skills.
     
  6. milo

    milo Well-Known Member

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    Amen. That sideline catch and run on the Pats in the playoffs made up for the drops all by itself.

    I do think we'll take a wideout in the later rounds that hopefully can be groomed for the slot at some point, but right now Jaco's untouchable.
     
  7. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I really like Cotchery but his almost $4 MM cap figure for 11 is high for a slot receiver if we plan on bringing back both Edwards and Holmes. I'm sure we could bring in a FA for half of that to play the slot or maybe draft someone in the later rounds.

    This report seems odd to me.
     
  8. joeklecko

    joeklecko New Member

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    I'm sorry, dude, but the names "Taylor, Bryan Thomas, and Pace" should not be mentioned in the same sentence with "pass rushing threats." The only thing those stiffs are a threat to are the Jets winning the Lombardi Trophy. They're the best that we had, but that's not saying much at all.

    That said, I don't see how the Jets could release both Pace and Thomas, especially with Kamerion Wimbley having been franchised by Oakland. There really aren't any other good pass-rushing OLB options out there in FA, so that would mean that the Jets would be forced to either draft two rookies and start them, sign a lesser player in FA, start Westermann at one of the OLB spots, or probably give up a king's ransom to the Giants for Kiwanuka and hope that Kiwanuka could learn the D and stay healthy. That would be an impossible situation.

    Pace should be kept but restructured. Thomas should be kept for now as well, with the hopes that they can restructure him later. He still has value vs the run.

    It would be awesome if the Jets could clear up any future dead money from both of them by getting rid of them now; however, it just isn't possible.
     
  9. joeklecko

    joeklecko New Member

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    Maybe YOU'd cut Cotch in a half second, but I wouldn't. Cotch had an off year in 2010, but is still a great Jet and he has made a lot of huge plays for us. No way I'd cut him.
     
  10. JfaulkNYJ

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    Nobody else is available, but rookies in the draft. Pace has to stay. We need somebody that is a proven pass rusher...although he isnt great, Pace can still get pressure on the QB.
     
  11. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    If the plan is to bring back Edwards and Holmes I think you'd have to at least strongly consider it. Is a slot receiver in a run heavy offense really worth almost $4MM in cap space? You could probably sign T.O. for less than that (not that I want him).
     
  12. ManlyGenius

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    What if you had the choice between Holmes and Cotch? You just might be able to sign Holmes for 4 million if you backload the contract in the right way.

    You can't keep everybody folks.
     
  13. brothermoose

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    I figure if we can pay Bart Scott $6.6 million to do what he does, whatever that is, then we can pay Cotchery $4 million to do the same. I think he brings the best attitude and work ethic to the offensive side of the ball. He leads by example. If we're going to place big bets on the bad boys, then J-Co is a nice hedge to have at a reasonable price.


    All that said, I can't believe that teams will be allowed to accelerate cap money for cut players retroactively into the 2010 season without rebuke.
     
  14. joeklecko

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    Cotchery is more than just a slot receiver. He is a playmaker, knows the #2 WR and #1 WR spots in case Edwards or Holmes were to go down with injuries, is the PR, and is a great teammate and player. He's worth every penny he gets. Some of you guys are going nuts with trying to cut cap space. Just because you bring in a cheaper slot receiver, doesn't mean he'll give you anywhere near what Cotch does. The very idea of cutting Cothery is idiotic imo.
     
  15. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    You could sign a guy like T.O. for half that.
     
  16. joeklecko

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    Some of you guys have very short memories. Remember last offseason,when a number of Jets were upset about the way Leon was treated? Cotchery is a very popular Jet. The Jets can't keep treating their veteran players just like a commodity. If they do that, they will get no loyalty from their players.

    Also, the argument could be made that the Jets offense was just fine, and in fact, better without Holmes. The first few games the Jets offense was clicking. Keller was involved and productive. Then Holmes comes in and disrupts everything.

    He is a distinct possibility of getting suspended again. Then where would the Jets be with no Cotchery? He may not even want to re-sign with the Jets. He might be willing to go to whomever pays him the most money. Screw Holmes.

    I'd rather have Edwards anyway if I had to choose between the two. Edwards contributed a lot more to the team's success than Holmes did.
     
  17. joeklecko

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    Maybe you could, but no way I'd want any part of that jackass.
     
  18. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I hate T.O. and didn't think he had anything left in the tank after Buffalo. He clearly did and would be a huge upgrade over Cotchery.

    If you could have Edwards/Holmes/T.O for less money than Edwards/Holmes/Cotchery I think it would be silly to not make the upgrade.

    My point is not that I want TO, but that we could get a better receiver for less money.
     
  19. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    You'd rather have Terrell Owens than Cotchery? I wouldn't.
     
  20. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I hate TO but he's obviously a better receiver. It would be awesome to see TBJF list off our roster with him replacing cotch too.
     

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