At the time nobody knows how the Jets 2012 3rd round draft pick will pan out either. It could be the key to us landing our future franchise whatever. I have nothing against trading picks for players, but this just seems like the the risk is greater than the reward to me. Especially with our EXCELLENT recent history of trading up to land keystones to our franchise (Mangold, Sanchez, Harris, Greene etc) If the Ravens considered this guy a franchise safety they would of tendered him better or would make signing him long term a priority. Its not like the guy is going to command big money.
Hey Mr Electric you are a pro man, I guess you have it all figured out. Wont say anything else so your intelligence is not insulted.
Because they are all going to be staples of this team for the next 8 + years and every single one of them was acquired by trading up in the draft . By no means am I suggesting that Sanchez and Greene are even remotely close to as talented at their positions as Harris and Mangold, but they all are essential components to this franchise and we wouldnt have any of them had we wasted draft picks instead
Sanchez and Greene could easily just level out where they are now and could be gone in 4 years...not saying they will. I'd rather spend a 3rd and upgrade at a position we need, and it's not like we have to move up every year to get a good player...
But is he an upgrade ? I have no problem trading a 3rd for a guy that has proven he could play football. But were talking trading for a guy who really hasn't done anything whatsoever at this point in his career. I understand he is behind a stud in Ed Reed on the depth chart but that doesnt mean shit. The guy leaves plenty to prove
You're right. With your philosophy, we have a chance to draft our future franchise backup left guard in 2012's third round. Shonn Greene is not excellent. He's flashed at times, but he's been very average in most games. He'll never, ever be a franchise player. The Jets didn't trade up for Nick Mangold. The Jets got an extra first rounder in 2006 when they traded John Abraham to the Falcons. Mark Sanchez is getting there. I loved that pick and I'll support him until the end. ...because Sanchez is a quarterback, I consider him a franchise player. This team should be built around him, that's why I'm so adamant about keeping Edwards and Holmes. David Harris is an above average player, but he's not a "franchise" player. He plays a very replaceable position and he's not an outspoken team leader like Ray Lewis. You can replace hard-working run stoppers fairly easy in today's NFL. Nick Mangold is the best center in the game and will be for quite some time, but we didn't trade up for him. The Ravens are stacked at safety. They haven't locked up Dawan Landry yet either and he's a high caliber, proven veteran. Physically, Tom Zbikowski be an immediate upgrade over Jimmy Leonhard.
Hey BundleOfSticksIsHere you are a pro man, I guess you have it all figured out. Wont say anything else so your intelligence is not insulted. ...experts man
When Zbikowski's been on the field, he's stood out in limited time. What has a third round pick done to prove he's worth it? Nothing. This argument's retarded.
So was Revis, don't forget (and Keller as well). Also, technically we didn't trade "up" for Mangold, we just traded Abe for him. :up:
The question I keep asking myself is: why would we spend a draft pick to get Zbikowksi when we could just sign Landry? This would ensure that we still have as much flexibility as possible come draft day and if Landry were to work out safety might not even be an issue anymore. One thing we should have all learned by now is that filling needs before the draft gives us the best chance to get the best players out of the draft. Perhaps we would then use that 3rd round pick to trade up in the first for a stud wide receiver prospect. The point is that you don't know how valuable these picks are going to be in the future. If you trade them away now you might regret not having them later on.
Landry allegedly wants a contract that'll pay him roughly $5 million a year. Zbikowski's currently playing under his rookie contract, so he's due about half a million dollars in 2011.
My point still stands. If you want to talk monetary terms, Landry might be willing to play for less under Rex Ryan and if we do sign him we'll at least be assured that he'll be under our control for a few years. If we were to trade for Zbikowski, we would have no guarantee that he wouldn't leave as soon as he is elligible for UFA status.
For argument's sake, let's say Tom Zbikowski and Dawan Landry are identical talents. What would you prefer: securing safety talent for the next 4 years but losing the ability to re-sign one of our wide receivers, or re-signing both wide receivers and potentially (key word) losing said safety talent in 2012? It's a valid argument.
I don't think we'll be able to re-sign both regardless, but given the two options I'd go with the latter.
S-Donte Whitner would be amazing OLB-Manny Lawson could be an awesome pass rusher in this system OLB-Kam Wimbley!!! and of course...if he wants to take a paycut to be part of the best corner tandem EVER...Nmandi
theo and mr electric get a life losers...."yeahrrr man how about this.......such a good idea" you guys do not post enough- wow what losers
