The issue isn't with Sanchez but with the offensive line!

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  1. Cellar-door

    Cellar-door Active Member

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    The O-line has been poor, but it has been exacerbated by Sanchez's shortcomings. What Sanchez struggles the most at is making quick decisions and getting rid of the ball quickly on 3 step drops. Where he excels is 5 to 7 step drops and throwing down the field in long developing routes. You need either a good O-line or the ability to move the pocket ala Vick, Freeman, etc. to run those plays.
    He also has shown a slow release. Combine those problems with a BAD offensive line and Schotty has to call plays with 2 or more options inside 10 yards. Routes that really aren't the best use of our WRs, but necessary because plays don't get a chance to develop.
     
  2. Big Blocker

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    I agree, and all those who think schotty is terrible and why don't they get rid of him should at least consider that your point is an answer.
     
  3. HardHitta

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    I think there's some issues with Sancho, Even when he does have time to throw. Although at this point it's all the o-line, absolutely no time to pass, fucking atrocious.
     
  4. Br4d

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    There are definitely issues with Sanchez at this point. Most of those issues are caused by shoddy predictable play-calling, a weak offensive line and the fact the 40% of his targets are new and he has no chemistry with them at all.

    It's a perfect clusterfuck of how not to support a young QB who you've pinned the hopes of the franchise on.
     
  5. AllHackettsSuck

    AllHackettsSuck Well-Known Member

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    How much more experience does Collins have in dodging NFL pass rushers than Sanchez has?
     
  6. Br4d

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    You can't compare Collins and Sanchez at all.

    Peyton Manning has one of the quickest most decisive releases in football. He reads defenses better than anybody but Tom Brady. He is protected heavily by the officials who ensure that he is not hit late or in ways likely to hurt him. His offensive line has become accustomed to having all of that in play and they have become weaker at pass protection over the years as a result.

    Now Manning is gone and Collins is there with a normal release, decent read ability and no franchise protection from the officials. He's getting killed because he's not Peyton Manning and the protection that sufficed for Manning is completely inadequate for him.

    Sanchez on the other hand is the same QB he was last year but his offensive line is much worse. the only thing that he and Collins share is that the officials offer them no special protections the way that Manning and Brady are protected.
     
  7. Big Blocker

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    So you are saying Sanchez is more like Kerry Collins than Peyton Manning.

    Well I certainly feel better after considering that argument.
     
  8. The Jutty

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    I agree, but I think the biggest problem is the offensive line. If we could get the running game going it would help a lot.
     
  9. ProfJets

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    I wouldn't say Sanchez has shown any signs of improvement so far this season. But then again, its pretty hard to show improvement when your lying on the ground. I'll withhold judgment on Sanchez's abilities this year until after the o-line gets fixed (and I really hope it gets fixed).
     
  10. ANJI

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    I definitely feel like the jets need to go with the run even if it doesn't work.

    At lease then you take the ball out of sixchez hands and protect him from the big turnover. You also set up the play action to check the other team after over committing.

    Ground and pound:up:
     
  11. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    I posted this in the week 5 game thread, but figured it applied more somewhere else.


    People say "No quarterback can succeed behind that type of OL."

    Well, the Bears had 359 yards and 23 1st downs against the Lions defense. Only 13 points, but their best field position all night was their own 24.

    And I'm sure everyone on this board would prefer Holmes/Plax/Mason/Kerley to Williams/Knox/Hester/Sanzenbacher/Hurd.

    That OL is trash, yet that offense still was decent, and Cutler still made some plays.

    Our offensive line is not good, but there's still no excuse for our entire offense to fall into a shell, even when Sanchez is getting killed. Baltimore's defense is better than Detroit's, but our offense should be better than Chicago's based on personnel.

    Cutler and Forte still found ways to make plays. Sanchez and Greene could not vs the Ravens. Schotty definitely takes a big hit for that as well.
     
  12. NDmick

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    Mike Martz.

    People may not like him or the way he conducts business, but he gets results.
     
  13. 624

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    They scored 13 points, 3 in the 2nd half.


    With a superior offensive coordinator.
     
  14. BleednGreen

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    The issue is with the offensive 'coordinator'.

    If you can call him that.
     
  15. NDmick

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    Yeah but the Lions D is fucking legit.

    The Jets would have won the shootout with the Pats if they had a real OC.


    Wow I sound like people I make fun of right now.
     
  16. Jets-N-Terps

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    Look what's happening to Big Ben with a horrible o line...he's throwing 5 TD's and winning a game...
     
  17. jb1095

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    Sanchez had PLENTY of time against the Pats, the play calling is what failed you this week.
     
  18. Organized Chaos

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    Jets Offensive Line Signs Up For Continuing Education Class On Pass Blocking

    You know it's bad when...

    Jets Offensive Line Signs Up For Continuing Education Class On Pass Blocking

    http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/jets-offensive-line-signs-up-for-continuing-educat,26274/

    NEW YORK—Sources close to the Jets offensive line confirmed the players have enrolled in a continuing education course on pass blocking, attending their first class Monday at Hunter College to receive basic instruction on quarterback protection.

    “We are all learning a lot, and our teacher, Mr. Muñoz, is really nice and knows what he’s talking about, even if he’s kind of old,” said left guard Vlad Ducasse, adding that he learned just today that a lineman doesn’t have to wait for a defensive player to touch him before attempting to block. “I never thought about pad level before, but it seems pretty important. We also worked on doing this pass-blocking stance where we bend our knees and keep our backs straight and lift up our arms. It’s hard because it feels more natural and less tiring to just let your arms hang at your side.”

    Although a few Jets offensive linemen said they were learning valuable skills and techniques that could help improve their careers, the majority agreed that pass blocking wasn’t for them.
     
  19. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    This is pure bullshit. Sanchez has been mediocre to piss-poor the past two weeks. Yes, in the Ravens game our offensive line was embarrassing, but so was Sanchez. And on Sunday he couldn't manage 200 yards passing against the worst pass defense in the fucking league and our offensive line played just fine. Stop making excuses for the kid. He's not playing well.
     
  20. FOURTHANDLONG

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    At the end of this year if Sanchez does not improve QB will have to be looked at in the Draft. Especially with the new Rookie scales. Our team is ready to win a Sb he is not.
     

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