I think the thing to remember here is that we've been given a first hand view of the difference coaching can make on a talented unit. Our offense, in my opinion, has the same level of talent that our defense did in 2008. Bob Sutton and Eric Mangini couldn't get that talent to produce. When a talented defensive mind came in and made a couple of personnel tweaks, all of a sudden that same underperforming unit turned into the best defense in the NFL. We won't see the same return on a change at offensive coordinator, because the mantra of the team will still be "defense, defense, defense." But if an offensive coordinator who possessed the same level of expertise as Rex Ryan replaced Brian Schottenheimer, we'd get to see for the first time what a truly talented offense we have.
I voted schotty and the system. I don't know how you can say the offense doesn't have talent. In fact I think the offense has more talent than the defensive side of the ball. We don't have an all world player like revis on the offensive side but overall I think they are more talented. So for me it comes down to schotty or Sanchez. It seems to me that Sanchez shines when we are forced to make him throw. That's when we see these flashes and these throws that we are like "where was that all day". Meaning only when schotty is forced to get away from his game plan does the passing game really start to click. For me I have had enough of the guy. He's been here a long enough and hasn't produced a top ranked offense.
Thank you. I've been trying to get this point across, to no avail. Schottenheimer is allergic to WR routes that go deeper than 5 yards, and Sanchez's forte is when the receivers are good 25+ yards down the field. Match made in heaven? You bet. *But then, Pennington would get Coles almost decapitated under Schottenheimer master plan. Or if any of you remember the Jets during Favre year at Tennessee, Favre threw one INT in that game because he had to force the ball to Coles, when Coles was running slant and was covered extremely tightly. The ball was popped up right after the contact, then the defender had an easy interception. Is that Favre? Or is that Schotty? From the track record that Pennington had, I have to guess that one is also on Schotty - but then you can blame Favre and Coles for the piss-poor execution to your heart's content.*
We have the talent to at least be average on offense. Right now we're mediocre at best and completely ineffective at worst. That's on Schotty.
True, and I'd like to see them go long more as much as anyone else, but that doesn't discount the fact that he's been throwing behind his receivers fairly often this year. Is Schotty calling plays that don't play to Sanchez's strength? Yes. Is that the sole reason that Sanchez's accuracy has been spotty? No.
Are you watching these games? He's getting Sanchez killed precisely because he doe NOT call underneath routes, (Except on 3rd and 8, or when Dramatically behind) Try this. We TRY to throw long all the time. Sanchez gets hit. Try this, while you watch the game. It's Hobbes Drinking Game. When the ball gets snapped Count 1 Mississippi. 2 Mississippi. 3 Mississippi. 4 Mississippi. If you reach 4 and Mark still has the ball. Drink. Good luck seeing the second half. If they line up in the I formation, and you reach 3, Drink.
1) The Jets don't give Sanchez enough protection to go deep consistently. That's the critical weakness in our offense, and it has nothing to do with the QB or the offensive coordinator. If you can't protect the QB then deep routes can't develop and you can't consistently go downfield. 2) Sanchez frequently gets picked when he does try to go downfield--how many times have we seen him rush a throw and totally miss a lurking safety? The answer to the original question is clearly both. It's just painfully obvious that we don't have as much talent as we thought we did coming into the season, even if you're a firm believer in Sanchez. Burress has been underwhelming, Mason has been invisible, Moore has struggled (probably as a result of his injury,) and Hunter's been a train wreck. The bad playcalling just compounds all of those problems. I don't think that a different offensive system and playcaller could solve the Jets problems, but it could minimize the damage. Games like the Ravens mess should never happen.
i don't have the #'s, but i'd be willing to bet plax and mason aren't producing anywhere near what cotch and edwards were putting out at this point last season.
While I agree with most of what your saying if you don't throw out of the I at times you take away the play-action which he is very good at. I think there is def a compromise in there schotty needs to find ASAP!
That's for sure but there was no Holmes until week 5 plus a very good line every week. That said I liked the WRs from last year a lot better.
We all know its Schotty that does not maximize the talents of the offense, but we still have dropped passes on crucial downs, and an OL that's slowly remembering their identity. Sanchez's MO is easy - you start him out with a rollout pass and a few passes over the middle, and then he's ready to go. If he goes 4/6 to begin the game, he starts kicking ass. If he goes 1/5, it takes a whole quarter or half until he and the offense hit rhythm. I'd like to throw down field more, but the OL didn't allow that to happen all year. Maybe it can happen against the Fins, seeing as the OL played their best game to date. This offense is run first, something that they decided to get away from in the preseason. That is on the entire CS. How the fuck you think because everyone else is becoming a passing league you can do it with your personnel is stupid and that's a firable offense. The playcalling doesn't emphasize the new rules put in place to maximize the ability for WRs to make plays. If PI is going to be called the way it is in this league, then take advantage. Where the skinny posts, and the fades to the corners, and the throws that Sanchez is most comfortable throwing have gone is beyond me, but it would be nice to stop seeing WRs within 7 yards of each other on a down and distance of 8+ against a zone. Its stupid, and not even an 8 year old playing madden does that shit. I just don't see other offenses doing what Schotty does when I watch games.
the problem is schotty doesn't run straight play action.he has to fake fb dive and hb toss with a wr reverse before mark can start looking down field.if he would knock off the extra bullshit and have the wr run good deep intermediate and short routes and send keller up the seam mark could carve up most defenses. i really thought when tom moore came in alot of schotty's motion and misdirection crap would go away.now i just wish he would
That double-reverse out route to Conner was one of the worst plays I've ever seen. If it wasn't on a bad defense like the Pats, it would have gotten Sanchez killed.
I'm not saying we have the most talented offense in football. However, even since the Mangini days our offense has always been a question mark, frankly I cant remember the last time we had a good offense. Since Schotty has taken over he has seen plenty of turnover on offense, the only two guys who have been on the team as long as Schotty has been are Brick and Mangold.
The Jets have had good running games, but not good passing games. Pennington was never going to throw the ball 4500 yards, and neither is sanchez. This team has always been built on strong running games and good defense. Getting away from that is just a terrible idea. And it knock the entire offense out of rhythm until they somewhat got it back this week.
Exactly. If Sanchez gets rolling in the beginning, hes money- you hand the ball off, PA to keller once or twice, throw some 15-20 yards routes and maybe a screen pass and the kid is actually in a rhythm. Imagine that. When we involve Keller, we win and Sanchez plays well, its pretty simple. get it to your athletic TE. Idk where all the long routes have gone. Someone posted a stat that weve had 2 attempts over 30 yards and 11 over 20. Thats is absolute garbage for five games. I could see that being stats for one game. But 5 games?! Really. I feel like we threw longer routes and gave Sanchez more "freedom" as a rookie. Schottys ability to game plan is gross and my imaginary 12 year old brother who plays madden could game plan better. He simply just kills drives. Next button hook on 3rd that ends up 2 yards before a 1st down i see, my Mac is going through the window.
