That doesn't even make sense. If you haven't noticed football is a team sport. One player, no matter how good he is, can't single handedly win a team a championship.
Lets see then where does that leave JWN or Matt Snell or George Sauer or Don Maynard or Emerson Boozer who were all members of the 68 team that won it all? :sad:
If Revis was not a force of nature the language is ironclad. He signed a 7-year deal with the Jets in 2010 in which the last 3 years have pitifully low compensation, like in the 3-5 million a year range. If he does not hold out prior to the 2014 season the last 3 years void and he becomes a free agent in 2014 with the Jets unable to use the franchise tag on him. However if he decides to hold out anyway what are the Jets going to do? He should be traded after this season for a great package of players and picks. It's the logical thing to do because the Jets will not be able to afford a $15+ million a year cornerback and still compete at a high level.
Huh? First off, they were part of a championship TEAM. None of them won that game all by themselves. Second, just because a player is on a championship team doesn't make them great, example Trent Dilfer (no I am not comparing those players to Trent Dilfer). Whether or not Revis is the best Jet of all time is debatable. But to say he isn't just because he doesn't have a SB ring doesn't make sense. It isn't logical, this is a team game. By that logic the fifth WR on the depth chart on the 68 championship team (and no one even remembers who that was) is better than Revis, or Curtis Martin for that matter. Barry Sanders never won a ring either, so he wasn't that good. Do you where your argument falls apart?
As much as I love Revis you're right. If he commands over 15 million than he's not worth it as a cornerback. If we can get him for 11ish though then I would sign him.
I second this...Maybe we can give him a reasonable pay increase and he will stay for around 10+ while we ditch Cro
The question is how do you pay for the absolutely necessary things like: 1. QB 2. ROLB 3. LT 4. WR 5. LILB 6. RT 7. LG 8. LOLB 9. FS 10. NT When you are paying a CB and a C as the best at their position? Something is going to have to give. Mangold at least is the best in the center of the field. He touches the ball on every snap and not a play goes by where his skills are not tested to the fullest. I really don't think an NFL team can compete under the cap with a double-digits CB on the cap. There's just too much else that must be handled and that CB is not tested remotely as often as the guys on the list above.
Those rankings are definitely in the eye of the beholder. On that list I'd probably put CB at number 5, especially in the modern NFL.
The fact that he isn't being tested every play is a testament for how important he is to us. Don't see it as him not doing anything see it as the best wr on the other team not doing anything. Taking away the number 1 playmaker on the other team almost completely is the main reason our pass D was by far number 1 in 09 and good the last 2 years.
Brad is just plain wrong to diss the importance of the CB position. It is a passing league, and you can either cover the other team's main receiver with one very good to excellent player, or you will require two to do so. Having to use two detracts from what else the rest of your D can do. I concede it is problematic if too much of your money is tied into ANY position, but that is just a question of balance. Brad goes beyond that, and says the CB position is not that important. I disagree.
I agree with you there 100%. If we had good safeties to go with Revis it would be amazing. Revis frees up a safety to go else where the problem is when the safety he is freeing up to roam the backfield is Jimbo or Smith than it is not as great an impact. It does however let us stack up the box more to help solidify our run defense but if we had a real ball hawking FS we would get so many more interceptions.
The top CB who played in the Super Bowl since 1998 (the year Peyton Manning entered the NFL and supposedly ushered in the new era of passing first attacks despite taking 6 years to actually win a playoff game...): 1998 - Ray Buchanan (Falcons) 1999 - Samarr Rolle (Titans) 2000 - Chris McAlister (Ravens) 2001 - Ty Law (Patriots) 2002 - Ronde Barber (Buccaneers) 2003 - Ty Law (Patriots) 2004 - Lito Sheppard (Eagles) 2005 - Ike Taylor (Steelers) 2006 - Charles Tillman (Bears) 2007 - Asante Samuel (Patriots) 2008 - Ike Taylor (Steelers) 2009 - Tracy Porter (Saints) 2010 - Charles Woodson (Packers) 2011 - Corey Webster (Giants) That's not exactly a who's-who of the great CB's in the NFL after 13 years in the era of the great passer. Cornerbacks who have not made a Super Bowl in 13 years include Champ Bailey, Nnamdi Asomugha and Darrelle Revis. Now *that* is a who's-who of truly great CB's. If you argue that the great ones have not had the right team around them you're making the argument that they're not core players and require a heavy core alongside of them to get to the big game (like Ty Law and Charles Woodson, the best of the CB's to win a Super Bowl recently.) If you argue that other positions, like RB, are just as poorly represented in the final game, then you're making the argument for the replacement-level value of both CB's and RB's at the championship level. People will continue to argue the value of a great CB at the championship level as long as people like Charles Woodson occasionally win one. That's understandable. But if you want to win an NFL championship and you have to pick between a star level CB and an average player at another position or vice-versa there are very few positions at which having a star is less valuable than at CB.
AGREED...CB is one of the most important pos. on the field now adays. with a Qb throwing the ball 50+ times a game you need to have lock down corners on the outside to think anything else is ridiculous.
Seriously, I mean look at the lockdown corners on the superbowl winning Giants. It's ridiculous to think you don't need lockdown corners like that in todays game.
To balance this out I guess, you need either a elite secondary or elite pass rush. The elite pass rush will help you much much more than an elite secondary. Elite secondary while nice, shouldn't be the focal point of a defense. The thing with Revis is, we don't know how much of what Rex does is predicated on Revis shutting down his man with no help. So basically I guess what I'm trying to say is that in my opinion focussing inside out is much smarter than going outside in like the Jets have (Revis, Cro, Wilson, then focusing on DL). If you don't give the QB time, the corners have to cover less. If the Jets can get a natural pass rush AND also have Revis, that is scary. QB's first instinct is to throw to their #1 receiver under pressure which would lead to throwing to Revis If the QB hesitates because Revis is there or Revis has his WR covered, good things will happen for the D.
I agree with you to some extent but theres a difference between having say a top 5 CB and maybe the best CB to ever play the game. Revis is atleast top 2 ever.
sorry guys, you don't trade players like Revis. You build around them...... if calvin johnson can get crazy money, then the guy who gives him a bye does also.
Rex ran top 5 defenses in Baltimore without elite corners. He's smart enough to build a defense around it's strengths. Obviously right now the strength of our defense is CB's, but it leaves us very vulnerable in the middle of the field. Having the strength of your defense in the trenches helps the entire secondary. I think it's more than reasonable to believe that sinking money into positions other than CB is a more optimal way to build a top defense. Bottom line, you can avoid CB's all together. You can't avoid a tremendous pass rush and stout front 7.
