Yeah, but I think it's an ongoing thing that quarterbacks need to keep doing as they go to a new level. I'm not one of those that thinks he was always terrible throwing the ball. He looked fine on videos in high school, shattered records. He looked fine at the Nike camp when he was a phenom. Mechanically he looked good, same as everybody. His mechanics have warped over time because he's played in an offense that utilizes his abilities as a human bulldozer. He's used to crushing that ball like a beer can, and throwing it only if there's plenty of time and a a receiver that's pretty open. It degraded his mechanics and footwork, and he needs to improve.
That actually helps me think he CAN improve. It also aligns with what House said, that he really hadn't been taught bad fundamentals. Rather, he was never taught correct fundamentals.
Have to disagree here. Tebow has always had "bad mechanics", from what I have seen, they just didn't impede him at the high school and college level. The offense he ran at Florida was very similar to the spread option that he ran at Nease. His Senior year, he passed the ball for 3302 yards, an avg of 254 ypg, but he also ran for 1163 yards, an avg of 89.5 ypg. Here's a nice vid from Way Back When (Max Preps ?) http://www.maxpreps.com/video/watch.aspx#!videoid=f67e8823-98b1-fd52-76ef-6f4a6bd5a314
Regardless of what people say and whether you like it or not, I strongly believe Tebow is the future at QB for us. So I want him to work out all the kinks before he takes over that role.
I am far from an expert, but to me his motion looks better there than it did before the draft. Maybe I don't know what I am looking at?
I think House will be able to correct his throwing motion, the guy still needs to learn to anticipate better and pull the trigger. A pretty throwing motion isn't going to mean anything if he doesn't do that. House also says he did nothing with footwork, just throwing motion. Tebow is still a young QB so there is a chance he can develop the things he needs with time, but I don't think throwing motion is the big problem
Its a small part of the overall issue. I would put his throwing motion at about 15% of the issue, the other other 85% is footwork, torso positioning,pre-snap read and post snap decision making. I have always said his throwing motion is the least of his worries. You can have the sweetest arm in the world but if you cant get your feet / torso positioned correctly it doesn't matter as you will always be fighting yourself to deliver the ball correctly and if you fix those three things and you still cant read a defense or make the correct decision in a very short window, you still wont be successful. QB in the NFL ain't no joke. Its why a few are great and so many bust.
True with the mechanics, but even with those awkward mechanics he turned around a terrible franchise's fortunes. As far as the decision making, while overly conservative, you can't argue with the successful results. A 2 to 1 td/ int ratio is very good for an established NFL qb, nonetheless one in his first string of starts. Sanchez hasnt even sniffed such a nice td/int ratio. His first season he was an atrocious 12tds to 20ints. Last year he threw 18 ints. That is somebody that you need to be concerned about his decision making. Tebow was overly tentative in the passing game, still getting a feel for it on the NFL level. Even so , he did some remarkable things, the game will slow down for him, and when it does.............
2/1 TD int is good if youre throwing for more than 1TD per game in a PASS HEAVY league. Right now Tebow is on the ALEX SMITH trajectory. Is that reall what you hope to get?
No, right now he as a passer is already where Alex Smith is after about 5 years in the league. Don't forget he also gets you 5 and a half yards a carry on the ground. If you project Tebow's rushing stats last season over 16 games your at just under a 1,000yd clip. That kind of dual threat is something that could be really dangerous once the passing games slows down for him, and it will.
It easy to keep throwing that way when u don't have anybody trying to sack u. He changed it a little last season until he got in games and went back to his old ways.
I agree. I want a QB who is constantly striving to get better rather than one who just wants to be a celebrity.
I think you were trying to slam Tebow but it was difficult to tell as the topic on point was precisely about Tebow trying to get better by working out with House....
True but if he passes more he runs less. Which means his rushing stats dwindle. Look at the last few games from last year, people really limited what he did on the ground and the air..hence the 1-4 record. In those games he had a rushing total of 206 (41 ypg average) In the previous 5 he had totals of 240 and (48 ypg average) and the previous to those5 games he had totals of 356 yards (71 YPG average) all the while his attempts per game remained fairly steady at 9-11 rushes per game. (9 attempts last 5 / 11 attempts mid 5 / 11 attempts per game in first 5) I think the slow down in yards per game (his two lowest games 2.6 / 2.7 came in his last 5 games, as well as his 5th worst game at 3.4) are in direct correlation to defenses figuring him out. Amazingly enough 3 of his worst 5 passer ratings also came in those games. He also went 4td / 4 fumbles lost in rushing and 3TD / 4int in those 5.
