Tebow fine-tuning throw with ex-MLBer

Discussion in 'Tebowmania' started by catsigater, Jul 22, 2012.

  1. Demosthenes9

    Demosthenes9 Well-Known Member

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    What Tebow needs to do is become more consistent in his passing. Once he does so, games like the one against Pitt will become more of a norm. Stack the box to contain his running ? He'll beat you with his passing. Drop back to defend the pass ? He'll beat you on the ground.

    Along with this, the OC needs to call constraint plays to keep the defense honest. This is something that McCoy didn't do last year for the most part. There's also ways to attack defenses and have the offensive scheme dictate the kind of coverage that the defense can play.

    I'm willing to wager that Sparano and company have a better understanding of this than McCoy did.
     
  2. catfish

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    I guess my point was at the time this was shot no one had mentioned his throwing motion much less been working on it with him, so why would he use a different motion than his every day one. It appears he developed the "bad" throwing motion in college.
     
  3. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Tebow is going to become a more consistent punt protector, not a more consistent passer.
     
  4. Backup QB

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    Lol. I think you are saying it to yourself so much that you are actually starting to believe it. I can't wait until the day he is named starter. As Bart Scott said... "CANT WAIT"
     
  5. Demosthenes9

    Demosthenes9 Well-Known Member

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    You going to cry r shoot yourself when Tebow ends up with a passing percentage of 58% or greater ?
     
  6. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Yea, I'm the one who's not in touch with reality. Tebow's multiple roles on this team sure don't sound like someone who is going to be given serious consideration as a starting qb. But why bother with facts when you can pretend he's destined for the starting QB position.

    Get a grip, he's our utility knife, not our qb.
     
  7. #1 Jets Fan

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    What u been praying for a mircale? Lol I think Tebow doing the same.
     
  8. Demosthenes9

    Demosthenes9 Well-Known Member

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    Actually, I'm thinking that he will develop consistency with his reworked mechanics.

    I mean, since he had higher college career completion % than Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Matt Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, and Mark Sanchez, who says he can't regain that ?
     
  9. catsigater

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    Like I just posted in another thread, if he completed 1.18 more passes per game, he'd be at 55%. Does anyone really think he can't manage that?
     
  10. metsnjets

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    His percentage was in direct correlation to the OFFENSE specifically structured for his abilities played ROUTINELY against extremely OVERMATCHED opponents.

    WTF is so hard for you to understand? his college stats MEAN NOTHING. What does he look like in the Pros? Does he look like anyone of those guys you mentioned? NO. Why? Because he lacked the basic fundamentals they had because he lived on his physical ability and never learned the position.

    My god man. You seem smart enough to get it. Let me say it one more time.

    COLLEGE SUCCESS doesnt EQUAL NFL SUCCESS.
     
  11. catsigater

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    No, it doesn't. Just like in any other endeavor, past performance doesn't assure future success. It's an indicator, not a guarantee.
     
  12. metsnjets

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    And I would agree 100% IF Tebow had run a more pro-style sort of offense. But he didn't. There are plenty of examples of very successful college QB's that have run spread, option, pistol and other various types of offense that struggle in the pro system.
     
  13. catsigater

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    Yep, there are. There are also quite a few who've successfully made the transition. Guess what, there are also examples of QBs who won in college running a pro-style offense that struggle in the NFL.

    Like I've said ad nauseum already, if you think Tebow won't ever be a legitimate starting QB, you certainly have evidence to back that up.

    And as I've also noted, 1.18 more completions per game and the guy's at 55%. A couple of the drops last year would've been game winners. I'm of a mind that he will improve his mechanics and become better at reading pass coverages, which are his two biggest challenges.

    If he does, then his other attributes will make him tough to beat. If he doesn't, he'll be a career H-Back, punt protector, occasional wildcat QB.
     
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  14. Backup QB

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    Don't know why you are always acting like you own this mode of thinking or phrase. We all have known that before you said it.

    But here is my annoyance with that saying... players are drafted to professional sports based on high school and/or college performance. Are you going to join the Colts forum and start spewing off about how it is a mistake to draft Andrew Luck?

    And don't be ridiculous and say "well, he played in a pro-style offense" or "he has great mechanics". There are plenty of NFL BUSTS who had great college numbers, mechanics, and played in a pro-style offense.
     
  15. Demosthenes9

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    And there's no reason that he can't run that offense, or something very close to it in the NFL. Cam Newton ran one like it last year and put up some gaudy numbers.

    Now, stop for a minute and think through what I am talking about. Last year in Denver, Tebow often missed his targets BADLY. Throws in the dirt, receivers underthrown or overthrown.

    Guess what ? He routinely made those throws at Florida. With what I'm discussing, it has nothing to do with his "accuracy", but rather, with his "consistency". I'm not talking about pin point precision throws just over the outstretched hands of defenders. I'm talking about passes where the receivers were wide open, but Tebow couldn't hit them consistently.

    He didn't have that problem at Florida. If receiver was open, he got them the ball. His high completion percentage at Florida speaks to that.
     
  16. Demosthenes9

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    Hmmm, best I can recall, two of the best QBs in the league right now, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers played in wide open "college" Spread Offenses, not "pro-style" offenses. Then again, they both play Spread Offenses here in the NFL as well :)
     
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    HAHA. I will bet a Tebow jersey that Luck has a better career than Tebow.
     
  18. Backup QB

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    What Andrew Luck NFL stats are you basing this off?
     
  19. TTTTebowAndTheJets

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    Ha... I see what you did there ;-)
     
  20. FakeSpike13

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    That's because most backup QB's bring nothing else to the table other than being the Backup...

    What good is it to have someone with multiple talents like Tebow riding the pine when you can have him do other things that can help your team?

    My guess is that when Sanchez goes down with injury, or gets pulled due to sucking, Tebow will cease being on ST's.

    In the mean time, there is little reason not to put him out there if you feel he can do the job better than, say, your third string RB/WR/LB/TE....

    He's bigger than 99% of other QB's, so its not like the chances of him getting hurt in this role is immense. (Yeah, I understand the possibility of injury is still there, but its a matter of risk vs. reward)
     

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