These guys weren't going to make the roster anyway. If the Jets stick to the offensive philosophy they've been promoting all offseason then Holmes and Keller are the only receivers that are going to matter. The rest will be role players.
Who do the Jets have that Minnesota would want? The Vikings have been my team since the days of Fran Tarkenton, and the Jets are now my favorite AFC team (meaning I'll support them unless it hurts the Vikings) but I'm a Gator first. Tebow and Harvin on the same team would probably flip my allegiances.
I don't think it had anything to do with them being released. That was more about Holmes' injury I assumed. Regardless of that, the point was another depth WR would be a wise decision with a young QB and unproven WRs. The offensive philosophy is fine and all, but there will be games where the defense gives up a 2 possession lead or the ground and pound won't work. I don't see Holmes and Keller as guys who can take the game into there hands if that happens, and without good depth teams will key in on them.
Not that this would happen but I think if the Jets sent Holmes to Minny they'd only be on the hook for about $5 million in dead money. Percy Harvin is still playing on his rookie deal and his 2012 hit + Holmes dead money is less than Homes current cap hit. Obviously the Jets would want to re-sign Harvin right away and Harvin would probably not agree to a deal without that. Even so, the Jets would be out from under Holmes $12.5 million hit for next season, most of it in guaranteed salary.
The Jets have brought in deep ball receivers in Hill and Schilens. Theoretically they should be able to move the ball in the situation you described. We'll see how that pans out. The two released WRs provided absolutely 0 value to that cause.
Stop with your spin. At least make it believable when you throw garbage against the wall and hope it sticks so you can justify belief in your own flawed agenda on this guy. Every draftnik had him in the Top 60 and some had him late 1st round. You don't move up 3-4 full rounds based on combine measurables. There are tons of sources out grading the guy as a 2nd rounder. Here are a few so go ahead and try to find some that project the guy in the 5th round like you said. Or even the 4th round like you backpedaled to. We get it you hate the pick but stop with the misinformation and making yourself look foolishh http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=3142 http://www.kffl.com/a.php/129993/ http://ogdraft.com/2012/03/stephen-hill-scouting-report/ http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/3/1...prospect-profile-stephen-hill-wr-georgia-tech http://www.nfldraftgeek.com/stephenhill.html http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons-blog/2012/04/11/georgia-techs-stephen-hill-has-been-busy/ http://draftace.com/blog/2012/02/27/stephen-hill-scouting-report/
Stop with your spin. At least make it believable when you throw garbage against the wall and hope it sticks so you can justify belief in your own flawed agenda on this guy. Every draftnik had him in the Top 60 and some had him late 1st round. You don't move up 3-4 full rounds based on combine measurables. There are tons of sources out grading the guy as a 2nd rounder. Here are a few so go ahead and try to find some that project the guy in the 5th round like you said. Or even the 4th round like you backpedaled to. We get it you hate the pick but stop with the misinformation and making yourself look foolishh http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=3142 http://www.kffl.com/a.php/129993/ http://ogdraft.com/2012/03/stephen-hill-scouting-report/ http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/3/1...prospect-profile-stephen-hill-wr-georgia-tech http://www.nfldraftgeek.com/stephenhill.html http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons-blog/2012/04/11/georgia-techs-stephen-hill-has-been-busy/ http://draftace.com/blog/2012/02/27/stephen-hill-scouting-report/
Stop with your spin. At least make it believable when you throw garbage against the wall and hope it sticks so you can justify belief in your own flawed agenda on this guy. Every draftnik had him in the Top 60 and some had him late 1st round. You don't move up 3-4 full rounds based on combine measurables. There are tons of sources out grading the guy as a 2nd rounder. Here are a few so go ahead and try to find some that project the guy in the 5th round like you said. Or even the 4th round like you backpedaled to. We get it you hate the pick but stop with the misinformation and making yourself look foolishh http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=3142 http://www.kffl.com/a.php/129993/ http://ogdraft.com/2012/03/stephen-hill-scouting-report/ http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/3/1...prospect-profile-stephen-hill-wr-georgia-tech http://www.nfldraftgeek.com/stephenhill.html http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons-blog/2012/04/11/georgia-techs-stephen-hill-has-been-busy/ http://draftace.com/blog/2012/02/27/stephen-hill-scouting-report/
Nobody in their right mind projects a guy who caught 28 balls his last year and 49 over 3 that high, and nobody did that before the combine. Every link you posted is post-combine. Remember Dewayne Robertson? Same thing.
Nobody in thier right mind values combine measurables so heavily that they would use a combine performance to push a guy up 3-4 rounds. You might vault yourself up a round and soliidfy those sitting on the fence about you but that's about it. Fact is the guy was being talked about as a 2nd round pick both pre and post combine. It's fine to dislike or disagree with the pick. Just don't make up facts to suit your point of view. http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=6153 http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-tech-s...fl-combine/?cxntfid=blogs_georgia_tech_sports http://nflsfuture.com/2012/02/22/2012-nfl-mock-draft-pre-combine-edition/
So what? He was moved up after the combine for a reason. At least he posted scouting reports which means more than your perpetual negative opinion.
Are you saying that Paul Johnson should have changed his offense to accommodate Stephen Hill? I won't get into all of this again because you'll just abandon the thread and post the same stuff elsewhere like always, but anyone that is literally just judging a player on the number of catches he had in college should not give an opinion.
The Jets have this fantasy, and it's one that they've had through the entire Terry Bradway era, that a player's measurables are just as important as the production that he actually puts up. The old saying is that if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a duck. For the Jets they have a strong tendency to leave the quacking stuff out of the comparison. For them it it looks like a duck and walks like a duck it's a duck, even if it didn't quack much in college. In this case, at Georgia Tech, we have a lot of comparisons for Stephen Hill to try to figure out what his NFL career might look like. He's not the first tall, fast WR to come out of GT recently, he's the third. In 2007 Calvin Johnson came out and he's an impossible comparison for anybody to live up to. He caught 178 balls in a 3 year span in an offense that ran the ball 54.5% of the time. GT modified their basic offense to throw the ball more because they had Calvin Johnson to throw the ball too. They did not do this because they had a great QB. Reggie Ball was under a 50% completion rate all 3 seasons he was throwing to Calvin Johnson. Calvin Johnson didn't do what he did because he had a great QB or even a good one throwing to him. He had a bad passing QB all 3 years he was at GT but he was Calvin Johnson and so it didn't really matter. Nobody could cover him and he caught a lot of balls. Following him at GT was Demaryius Thomas, another good WR but not on CJ's level, because nobody is on CJ's level. Thomas caught 120 balls in his 3 years in the spotlight at GT. The Yellow Jackets toned down the offense considerably over what they'd done when CJ was there because they no longer had the great stud to throw too but they're still a read-option offense and they still sent Thomas deep a bunch of times and he was a game-breaker for them. Again, they didn't complete a huge percentage of passes, being under 50% all 3 years because they had another option QB throwing the ball and once again the focus was on his running ability. The GT offense was more heavily run oriented with Thomas there because you don't alter something that works for just a good player. You only do that for a great player. Now we get to Stephen Hill, who while huge and fast was not as good a receiver as either CJ or Thomas. In his 3 years he caught 49 balls. Not 178. Not 120. 49. Ok, so you say that his first year over-lapped with Thomas great 2009 season and so he didn't get many chances. Fair enough. Let's just look at the last two years each of the WR's spent at GT. In 2005 and 2006 CJ caught 130 balls for 2,090 yards and 21 TD's. In 2008 and 2009 Thomas caught 85 balls for 1,781 yards and 11 TD's. In 2010 and 2011 Stephen Hill caught 43 balls for 1,111 yards and 8 TD's. The Yellow Jackets threw the ball more with CJ and Thomas because they were better receivers than Hill. If they had a great receiver the last two years they'd have thrown the ball more. They didn't. So they emphasized the run heavily. Stephen Hill wasn't a good enough talent for the Yellow Jackets to change their offense to emphasize him. He was a one-trick pony who happened to be very good at dominating college CB's when he was left alone with them with lots of people up in the box to stop the option. That's just what it is. You don't draft a guy in the 2nd round because he is big and fast when the other thing is that he doesn't catch a lot of balls. He's going to get to the NFL and he's going to have to work twice as hard just to produce the numbers he produced in college.
Why do you ignore the fact that GT didn't switch to the option offense until after calvin johnson left? Minor details.
Georgia Tech was in an option offense before Calvin Johnson arrived. They went to a modified set while they had him because he was that good. Reggie Ball rushed 351 times in Calvin Johnson's 3 years at GT. They lost CJ and they went back to a full option. Demayius Thomas still managed to catch more than twice as many balls as Hill in the same option offense that Hill played in. If Hill had been worth the trouble the Yellow Jackets would have targeted him as often as they did Thomas, in the same offense. He wasn't so they didn't. Remember the bowling ball with knives? We're right back there again only Dewayne Robertson was a legitimate 2nd rounder who got pushed way up by the hysteria and a gullible Jets FO. Hill is a 4th rounder who got pushed up to the 2nd.
I think you're confusing the Chan Gailey offense with the triple option that Paul Johnson changed them to the year after Calvin Johnson left. One obviously puts much more emphasis on the run than the other. Here are the pass attempts/game for the Georgia Tech Offense by year: 2003: 30.5 Enter Calvin Johnson 2004: 29.6 2005: 34.6 2006: 26.2 Exit Calvin Johnson Enter Demaryius Thomas 2007: 27.6 Enter Paul Johnson and his triple option offense 2008: 11.7 Enter Stephen Hill 2009: 12.2 Exit Demaryius Thomas 2010: 12.8 2011: 12.7 The 3 years w/Calvin Johnson actually averaged fewer pass attempts per game than the year prior to Calvin Johnson. They also passed more the year after Calvin left than his last year with the team. That kind of blows up your whole "they changed the offense to pass more for Calvin Johnson" thing.
It doesn't change the fact that Demaryius Thomas caught twice as many balls as Stephen Hill in his two years in the triple-option. Hill's just not that good a receiver. He's a deep threat one-on-one because of his size and speed, but as a receiver he's not that good. If he was he'd have been able to do something similar to what Thomas did in the same offense.
I'm not going to argue that, Thomas was a more well rounded receiver in college. Comparing Calvin Johnsons college career to Hills doesn't make sense though. They went through completely different offensive systems even though they both went to GT. Hill has a higher ceiling than Thomas because of his off the charts measurables. Hill's floor isn't so bad either though, especially for the offense we're supposedly going to run. Solid run blocker who can take the top off the defense and give you some home runs.
