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Discussion in 'Tebowmania' started by Slap, Aug 27, 2012.

  1. Slap

    Slap New Member

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    Who is most to blame for Tebow sucking like an Electrolux?

    1) Ryan
    2) Sparano
    3) Tannenbaum
    4) Jets receivers
    5) Jets O line
    6) John Elway
    7) America's declining morals
     
  2. SoFl JetsLoyal

    SoFl JetsLoyal New Member

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    Picking someone on your list points blame at everyone but Tebow! I blame Tebow for sucking........and maybe his parents.
     
  3. CowboysFan

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    Tebow sucked last night but you guys are acting like no QB ever has sucked. Just remember these post when he is scoring TDs in games that count. I won't let you forget it.
     
  4. JFjets

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    Tebow had some really nice throws last night, and he had some really not nice throws. He had an inexcusable interception, which is something everyone but the most extreme haters will freely acknowledge is something he does rarely.
     
  5. NYDeadEye

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    There IS a medium. He just looks awful as a passer but he has his moments. He is where he belongs -- a wildcat QB who's great at running but gives the Jet's more of a passing threat than Brad Smith did last year. Smith always ran last year it seemed. When Tebow is in the WC, teams still has to respect his potential.

    What people get pissed at is the fact that there are still some people out there who think he deserves Sanchez's job at this point, because he has not done a single thing to earn it.
     
  6. JFjets

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    As a traditional drop-back passer, Sanchez is better right now, definitely. Whether or not Tebow supplants Sanchez as the starter at some point during the season, though, will have more to do with scoring points and the W-L record than who has the better completion % or prettier throwing motion.

    If it was all about completion % and a pretty throwing motion, Kyle Orton would never have been pulled after leading the Broncos to a 1-4 record. Orton had a better completion % last year than Sanchez did, and I think it could also be argued he has a more textbook throwing motion than Sanchez. Sanchez had better offensive weapons and a better defense than Orton did, though, and I think Sanchez also has some clutch abilities that Orton completely lacks. Sanchez also had Mark Brunell as his back-up, Orton's back-up helped take the team to the play-offs and beat the Steelers. That is now the back-up for Sanchez. Sanchez will either use it as inspiration and be a world-beater this year or he will crumble from the pressure, I don't think there's much chance of an in-between result. Personally, I think the latter is more likely than the former, but then Sanchez has never had a capable QB looking over his shoulder before in the back-up slot, so we don't really know how he'll react when the games are for "real". Time will tell, and with the difficult front part of the Jets schedule, I think time will tell pretty soon.
     
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  7. Bannon

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    I don't think there's anyone else to "blame." Tebow's performance was his own, last night.

    But I don't think it was bad as some are seeming to say -- 2 or 3 really good throws in there, demonstrated improvement in getting rid of the ball. And in the NFL, everybody teh sux sometimes, the interception throws.
     
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    It's clear to me that Tebow belongs in the shotgun. Why he ever isn't is insane because that's where he excels. Enough square peg round hole stuff.
     
  9. CowboysFan

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    I do not know of any on these boards, except maybe 1 or 2 trolls that say he deserves to start over Sanchez, its something that is a made up argument, then other forum members come into the tebowmania section to argue about a made up argument that does not exist.
     
  10. NYDeadEye

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    Wasn't meant to imply you are, just as my personal observations and my only pet peeve with Tebow, is I met people (more in real life, I actually haven't even read any members on these board who said that), who say Tebow should be the starter and it just baffles and frustrates me.
     
  11. NYDeadEye

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    I have no loyalty to either QB, I just want what's best for the team, and I think Sanchez is the best starting QB. I love the idea of Tebow in the WC, I think he's a real threat I just don't think he's ready to take Sanchez's spot. It's also frustrating because the beginning half of the schedule is ridiculous and then the last half is a joke. It's basically setting Sanchez up for failure.
     
  12. CowboysFan

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    Tebow will be on the field.

    If the first half is a failure then they both fail.

    Its not all on Sanchez.
     
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  13. JFjets

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    In a traditional drop-back offense, I agree with you. I think Tebow has the potential to get better in that type of offense over time, but clearly Sanchez is better in it right now.

    The thing is, though, the coaches on this team have obviously embraced the idea of doing non-traditional plays on offense this year, which will work to Tebow's advantage, because just as Tebow isn't as good of a drop-back passer as Sanchez, Sanchez obviously won't be as good in the Wildcat or Spread Option or Zone Read or whatever type plays they try to run with Tebow. In the end, whatever QB scores the most points and helps the team to the most wins - regardless of which offensive scheme - is the one who should keep the job. May the best man win.

    I also understand what you're saying about the hard games on the schedule being frontloaded, but that would be the case whether Tebow was the back-up or whether Brunell was the back-up. If Sanchez can't excel against elite teams then the Jets need to know that, regardless of who is the back-up.
     
  14. GoldenShowers

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    Can we stop referencing NFL offenses as "traditional drop back offenses" as if there is some alternative? Vick, Newton, RG3, etc are all "non-traditional", but they till run NFL offenses. Any person who thinks that you can run the Urban Meyer/Rich Rod system as a base offense or more than a few plays a game needs to learn about the NFL and how much more advanced it is.

    The point I'm making is there IS NO NFL SYSTEM that is sustainable with Tim Tebow as the starting QB bc the only system he CAN RUN IS NOT VIABLE AT THIS LEVEL. THAT is why he is a trick play/backup QB. That is why Denver moved on from him, and why not one NFL GM had interest in him as a starter.
     
  15. Bannon

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    "Drop back" being the key word -- as opposed to shotgun. There are teams that have all but ditched the under center snap. The Patriots ran a shrinking number of under-center plays.

    Tebow needs the most on the drops. The ones that are based on making reads while dropping back, hitting a certain number of steps, and boom, throwing it, or hitch, throw to 2dary, or reset, throw to third.

    He's not bad on the typical wide open shotgun, end of game, survey the field type of passing. That's what he's more comfortable doing.
     
  16. GoldenShowers

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    I'm sorry I must have missed that season where Tebow ran a shotgun passing offense to success as an NFL player.......

    He can run the spread option, very successfully. Pat White and Brad Smith did too. Eric Crouch ran the triple option to equal success. He is no different from any of them, bc just like them, it's the only thing he CAN do.
     
  17. JFjets

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    I guess you slept through last season, huh? Tebow had by far his most success as a passer with 4 or 5 receivers spread wide.



    Sweet! I never knew that Pat White, Brad Smith or Eric Crouch led their team to the playoffs in their first year with significant time as a starter, and beat the #1 defense in the league, all while passing for more yards and having a better QB rating than any other QB that faced that #1 defense all year. Oh wait....
     
  18. GoldenShowers

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    Wait so you are claiming that Tim Tebow was a successful passing QB in 2011? He was among the most poorly rated passers in the entire sport last year.

    He was out there for the taking, an not one single NFL GM had interest in him as a starting QB. His preseason numbers this year against backups are laughable.

    Yet somehow, the Jesus Gator Coalition is convinced that he successfully runs the Brady spread. Do you realize how absurd you sound?
     
  19. GoldenShowers

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    28th out of 34 Quarterback rating in 2011. There are only 32 teams! He's ABYSMAL as a passer. Not mediocre, not learning, not trying, not "awesome in the spread", he's bad.
     
  20. Demosthenes9

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    It's readily apparent that you didn't watch Bronco games last year and that you don't know wtf you are talking about.

    Here, I'll try to help.

    Denver game plan:
    Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Pass (with 2 receivers in patterns.)

    In most games, this would go on for 3 1/2 quarters. IF the Defense kept Denver in the game to this point, the the "gameplan" would get thrown out, Denver would go into the Spread with Tebow in the shotgun, and most the time, Denver would end up winning the game.

    If you go back and look, you'll see that Tebow had one of the highest 4th quarter QB ratings in the league. No coincidentally, Denver went to spread formations from the gun in the 4th quarter of games.

    Go back and rewatch that 95 yard drive against the Jets last year. See if you can figure out how the Spread formation and Tebow's abilities dictated the defensive coverage that he faced.
     

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