nobody is asking Rex nor Tanny to make tackles, all you need is a consistency in execution of a clear plan and vision. Rex is too much of a make it up as we go kind of person to be a HC. Trying out Cromartie and McKnight at new position is examples of how you lose steals focus and energy in execution.
plenty of bad teams with minimal talent play hard and are competitive, which is a direct reflection of coaching. despite the level of talent on the Jets, they just seem ill-prepared for what is being thrown at them, and that is coaching, and that is all on Rex. what he is doing is not working this year. I don't think anyone reasonable is giving Rex a pass on that. but there is a huge disparity between the reasonable people who aren't jettisoning his previous success simply because of his recent failures, and those who want to blame him and pretend his previous success has no merit. Rex's first two season's have shown what you get with Rex when he is at his best, and that has earned him a few years to right the ship. as the saying goes, you don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Sean Payton had two bad seasons in between his first run to the NFC title game and his first Super Bowl. Jets fans would have fired him after those two seasons rather. Lovie Smith has had some bad seasons as a coach, but he is a very good coach. you don't fire him, you build a better team for him. Marvin Lewis is the same. Bad seasons do not mean you have a bad coach. If the coach has never had success obviously he does not have the luxury of the benefit of the doubt. but Rex Ryan, like Sean Payton, Lovie Smith or Marvin Lewis, has enjoyed playoff success (getting to the playoffs for the Bengals is playoff success for that team in that division), and that success is indisputable.
You are right, our GM is an accountant in GM's clothing. If Woody wants to be in the NewYork SB, he better get another GM and QB.
What happened to the push ups players were made to do when they were flagged for stupid penalties? I honestly don't think we're that far off talent wise, getting the most out of them seems to be our problem... that all falls on Rex and the CS. We either need a better RB to take some of the pressure off of Sanchez, or a better QB to take some of the pressure off the RB's. The RB is the easiest and quickest upgrade.
Rex has the second highest winning percentage in Jets history and the most playoff wins in Jets history.
There are multiple people to blame. But firstly, Rex is not the only one to blame, that is clear. In 2009 and 2010, Rex had top defenses with the players Sione Pouha, Mike DeVito, Bart Scott, Calvin Pace, David Harris, Bryan Thomas, Darrelle Revis, and Antonio Cromartie. Rex ran a scheme that is the same as the one he is running this season, and these are seasoned vets. My point is, they don't just forget how to run a scheme with that kind of consistency in teammates. The players we have on the field aren't measuring up in athleticism anymore, and when this is pro athletics you just can't have that. That is Tanny's responsibility, to not sign players to backloaded contracts that you can't afford not to play, but aren't going to win games.Then there is the draft process that as I posted before we have very very clearly been missing on for the past few years. We should just offer a ridiculously exorbitant amount of money to whomever scouts for the 49ers to come work for us. There are so many more factors, but these are pretty glaring contradictions to your argument.
Rex took over a fairly talented team. Then he spent like a drunken sailor to make it a really talented team. That does not make him a good HC. Winning wildcard spots with a really talented team is not brain surgery or legendary coaching. Now the bill has come up on our spending and we see what kind of coach Rex actually is. He is lacking in so many areas of the HC job that it boggles the mind how he still has a job. For starters: -He cant rebuild or evaluate talent for squat. -He doesn’t game plan or make halftime adjustments that well -He is clueless about the offense – I seriously believe in Rex’s mind Sanchez and Flacco are the same person with the same skills -His only way of motivating the players seems to be saying “we are going to win the SB” -Losing the locker room is always just around the corner with him – which basically means he has already lost it to some degree -Serious lack of leadership and discipline -Terrible clock manager What I like about Rex is that he is honest. He doesn’t run from his mistakes or make excuses. But he needs more HC skills.
Ah but U did not factor in the game has CHANGED greatly from those years but RR & his D Have not. Also each year a player plays he loses something so the player of 09 is not the player of 12 :sad:
1. This I agree. This team lacks one crucial element in any successful formula - that is accountability. Players just 'go through motions' and don't give a shit. That's a formula for failure. You have to pin that one squarely on the coaching staff, and ultimately Rex. 2. That said, for the umpteenth time, you just do not win the Kentucky Derby on a fucking donkey. Jets roster is filled with donkeys. That one you cannot pin on the HC. HC can do only so much - if he doesn't have a stallion in the stable, he's not going to win many races.
I'm afraid Rex will be on the list of Wade Phillips, Buddy Ryan, Lebeau...etc Great DC but not a good HC, no shame in that though.
Find me the last donkey who won the derby - ask the jockey what trick he pulled. I seriously doubt if you will find one. :rofl:
You nailed it right there. Ryan had a schtick and not much more. Any coach can come and do well in the honeymoon period. Honeymoon is over for Rex and I will be surprised if he ever gets this team back. I think the death march has begun for rex.
im a big believer this falls on Tanny all the way... when rex has had talent he has taken this team within a half of a superbowl twice. im not ready to shit can the guy yet....give him a talented roster again and see what he does bc frankly his record indicates that with enough talent he will succeed... asking him to do something with the 2012 cards he was dealt is a tall order IMO.
and what's your point? fact is rex has been one of the best coaches this franchise has ever had...it would be knee jerk and premature to fire him. In fact, I think he should be given 2 more years.
I think you AND the OP are correct in the sense that the front office is a team, like the team itself is a team. So when the scouts, GM, HC, OC, DC, etc. make decisions they should be held accountable unless it is clear that they opposed those decisions. In this case I have no reason to think that the version of the Jets we are seeing right now is EXACTLY what Rex and Tanny set about trying to build. And if this is what they set out to build they're fools. As others have noted, Rex inherited a talented team from Mangini. He has now run that team into the ground. THIS version of the Jets is now Ryan's Jets--they are talent poor, expensive, poor at developing young players, yadda yadda. So yes, Rex deserves a tremendous amount of blame for building a shit team. OTOH, he and Tanny (and probably Woody) have brainstormed this colossal cluster fuck into reality, so they all deserve some of the "credit."
