Also hopefully the environment that facilitated if not caused Sanchez's progression into sucking has been changed. If this QB succeeds then great, if not our record this year will be worse to improve the chances when starting again next year. Since the only other option is sticking with a QB with PTSD starting Geno is a win-win.
Sanchez failed because he was never really that good to begin with. The only thing the Jets did wrong was not keep a certain level of talent around him, and assuming that he'd take the next step. He came in as a rookie with a stout oline, good run game and decent receivers like Cothcery, Keller and later acquired Braylon. Plus we had a good defense, so even if he wasn't ready having all that should have been enough for him to lean on while he develops. David Lee and Morningwheg has a great track record, so that's good for Geno. If he shows any promise then Idzik needs to go out and draft some weapons for Geno to grow with.
He also had an asinine OC and QB coach. The stout line quickly eroded into WFH and the WRs/RBs went down the toilet. He was never going to be an elite QB in today's precision accuracy game but I believe he would have had a chance to become a successful NFL QB had he been developed correctly. It's easy to look at him now and say he always would have sucked but he might have been able to grow and turn into a very different player by now if he had this regime to begin with. At best it's a coulda woulda shoulda at this point but that doesn't mean that it's an invalid perspective.
How did the Jets not develop him right? I hear this all the time but no one ever says anything specific. Schotty is an average NFL OC. He did a decent job of playing to his strengths. Not too many plays where he has to make more than one or two reads, quick throws etc and just hand the ball off to the RB. Like I said the only thing the Jets failed at was not keeping the talent base up.
I don't agree about second round QBs not getting second chances. Drew Brees was a second round pick and he got a pretty decent amount of time to prove himself. He barely played his first year so that's not too relevant; but his second year he posted a 77 QBR; and his third year a 67 QBR. He wasn't all that great his first year as a starter and his second year starting he regressed significantly, into "bad QB" territory... it looks like he's going to be a bust... But they give him another year. Then he makes the Pro Bowl, throwing 27 TDs and 9 INTS compared to 11 TDs and 15 INTS the year before, he has great QBR. The next year, a ~90 QBR, and even though he was doing well he was traded, and of course won a Super Bowl for New Orleans a few years later. If you're Kurt Warner, Tony Romo, or Tom Brady then yeah you have to start winning immediately, with good stats, and that's IF you even get the chance to start. But second round picks are still in that category where you've invested a lot and so you want to give them a chance to see if they will be good, so I think Smith is not in a "make the playoffs or we will draft a QB in the first round" situation. You'd rather trade down in the first round and get Smith more weapons to help him out (as long as he shows promise) since even great QBs can take 2 or 3 years to become good. Although if a good QB fell to the Jets in the second round, they might draft him as competition especially if Smith is mediocre his first year.
There was a good article after he got fired about how he was running a retarded mutant of conflicting offensive philosophies for years, you can dig up the link if you feel like bothering. Calling Schotty average is a pretty big reach. He tried to mold the players to his pseudo cerebral system rather than doing it the right way. Aside from all of that, it's entirely obvious that nobody bothered to teach the idiot how to properly go through progressions and make value judgments about protecting possessions before pulling the trigger and thinking about ball security. Add in the steady degradation of the offensive personnel and he turned into a bust. If he was a smarter player he might have been able to overcome everything, but he wasn't. He needed some help from management to potentially get over the hump and instead he got the opposite. Hopefully Geno is good enough to benefit from the lesson learned.
What were some of these "retarded mutant of conflicting offensive philosophies" I'm still trying understand how Sanchez was mismanaged. Schotty understood that he needed to run wildcat and trick plays to help keep the chains moving. Having Sanchez run 1 or 2 reads etc.
There is far less than a 50% chance that the jets name any qb after the lions game. So take whatever small percentage that may be and divide that by half. Your post is weak.
That was some of the stuff I dug out, I assume. That is specifically the marriage between Coryell offense [Chudzinski variation via Brian Schottenheimer] and zone blocking scheme [by Callahan.]
I'm not so sure. So far this season there hasn't been enough separation between the 2 QBs throughout camp, if that continues in the pre-season games then I fully expect Sanchez to get the nod, simply because I believe the starting role is his lose. Its an open competition and under Idzek fully believe this to be the case. Most of us are under no illusion that anything over an 8-8 season would be nothing short of spectacular. We're in rebuild and in no hurry to rush anybody. I agree that the best place to learn is on the field of play and I'm sure that Geno will be given his opportunity to play and start, just not in game 1. IF or WHEN Sanchez screws up then he'll be in. Also lets not forget that Sanchez knows that this could be his last season as a Jet, indeed he may want out now. He knows he's lost a good chunk of the fans and maybe team mates. He knows that he absolutely has to play his socks off, for either his Jets career or his NFL career. Like most here I'm pretty much done with MS, but still remain hopeful that our once promising young QB can somehow turn it around and show the potential and poise he once had. Whoever is under center vs the Bucs I will be behind and support. I love the way the FO is now conducting business and feel a freshness and honesty that has been sadly lacking in recent years.
Dude, not gonna happen. Sanchez, is better against the Bills,Bucs, and Titans, and has beaten Belli in NE. They arent going to open the season with a guy taking sacks, because he is still getting his decision making process down (the one constant for Geno isnt turnovers....its sacks, and they are just as bad if not worse.) I keep seeing, well, at least hes only taking sacks. Great. Kickoff thru the endzone two sacks, is as bad as turning it over. The odds of the jets winning 3 or even the first four, are exponentially better with Sanchez. Consider the Thursday night NE game. No film study, no prep time. The top 3 defensive minds today, are LeBeau,Belli,rex. Do you really think the staff is going to simply concede the second game? If Geno is under center..Beli will be playing mind games with him all night long...youll be looking at a Sackelroy night.
85er, This is why its hard to discuss this issue. Schittys offense is not based on a simple one read...he basically runs inside the box, and asks the QB to go outside the numbers and down the field. (in fact, in one of the games Simms says,Schotty admitted he didnt have enough easy throws to get his QB going) Abyzmul posted a link to Weiss playbook from 2004. Go take a look at that. The QB has three options in one line of sight, so his decision on the frst read is distance/velocity, his second read is usually the dump off in a clear out. Mangolds post is spot on, up until the bust point. That is precisely what transpired here.
Someone being picked 5th overall and being a backup at a club he wasn't drafted by in his 6th year at age 27... won't be a bust?
*The only constant so far in camp has been Geno taking sacks. In college he was only sacked 22 times. And thats with a subpar OL. He's learning the system still and is probably thinking too much, but at least he's thinking and making the right throws. For the first 4-8 games, Geno can act as a game manager and try to keep the turnovers low. Let the defense (and hopefully run game) take over. Do what this team has tried to do for the last 4 years with Sanchez. Then, once Geno knows the system well enough and isnt thinking- just playing football, we can open up the playbook more.
No it's not, it's always been if Geno was ready or not. He's shown so far he can handle it in practice, now comes the test of preseason games. if he comes through ok he'll be the starter. I'll be surprised if a starter is announced after this game, I expect it after preseason game 2 but you never know.
Not sure it will be that fast but Im with you LTJF...big time. Whenever I watch highlights of the two the thing that sticks out most about the kid..and about Sanchez is that when Sanchez goes back to pass...he as we all know locks on to a receiver. In fact in an effort to improve that, he now does thing that when going back to the pocket...doing an obvious fake lock to the right or left and throwing the other way. When watching Smith, you watch his eyes after the snap and they are reading the entire field unless the 1st option is the west coast quick slant. He sees the whole field. His eyes are darting middle left and then middle right. Probably the cause of his detractors saying "he holds the ball too long" which will probably be an issue this year. Regardless, I like the way he sees the field. Holding the ball is something even the great ones suffered through in the beginning. Sanchez can never be called guilty of that for the most part because of his locking in on receiver and then either throwing the 2 yard out or button hook or....I cant even think of another option. Im probably way off here but I think this kid has some great traits. Whether that translates into a full blown legit very good QB is another story. I just think the kid is going to be highly complimented after the first couple preseasons games.
