-I agree on Vick -Rivers had #1 ranked D and couldn't make the playoffs in a creampuff division -Schaub once again led preseason darlings in Houston to missing the playoffs -Eli threw 25 INTs(had 30 TOs total) including 4 INTs in week 16 game that was essentially for a playoff spot -I agree on Ryan though he was awful in their home playoff loss -Romo only started 6 games and was 1-5 in those 6 games
I'm torn on 2010. Aside from the usual suspects, there really wasn't anything resembling good QB play across the board. You can reasonably say that Sanchez could compete with all but the best QBs in the league, but 2010 was a pretty shitty year for QBs aside from the usual suspects. I could concede Sanchez as an overall top 15 QB if others would concede that it was a really bad year for QBs overall. Not top 10, but shuffled around between 10-15 depending on assets. 2010 was a suck year for passers.
:rofl2: One season - you would take someone that had 30 total TOs over someone who had 13 TOs? The man with 30 TOs had about 5 more TDs. The other QB had 5 less TDs but 50% less TOs. You would take someone that started only 6 games over someone who was durable and played the entire season? Not sure if dumb or just showing extreme hatred / bias.
I was going to provide a statistical breakdown of each of these guys along with Mark's numbers in an attempt to explicitly show you how mediocre Mark was, even in his career year of 2010, but then I thought better of it . . . We've been through this song and dance before, junc: Step 1) Myself, or some other thoughtful poster, submits statistics that vividly demonstrate how poorly Mark has performed, with respect to, the rest of the starting quarterbacks in the NFL. Step 2) You respond to the unavoidable reality that Mark's statistical performance over the course of his 4 year career has been inordinately putrid, relative to his peers, by deeming all individual statistical parameters as "fantasty #s", and then proclaiming to support your defense of Sanchez, an individual, with TEAM statistics. When you are particularly overwhelmed by the burden of defending such an inept player, you resort to chiding other fans for being "ignorant" and failing to truly "understand" the game. Step 3-1000000000000) Rinse and Repeat What you always fail to grasp, is how absurdly illogical it is to dismiss individual statistics, while wholeheartedly embracing team statistics, when assessing an individual player. What makes your fanatical dismissal of Mark's statistical shortcomings even more unreasonable is that his statistical inadequacies are almost always presented, with respect to, other starting quarterbacks. Nothing you will write on this message board will ever change the verity that Mark has consistently performed at or near the bottom of the league, relative to, the other starting quarterbacks in the NFL.
1) Eli blew Sanchez away in every statistical category that year except turnovers. He was the better player. He threw way too many picks that year, but he also eclipsed Sanchez's production in every meaningful way. Also, Mark had 14 turnovers that year - He lost one of his NINE(wow) fumbles. 2) And for the guy who only played six games - Yeah, he got hurt. It happens. He still put together six games that were more consistent than anything Sanchez did. 3) You really don't want to get into a statistical breakdown of Sanchez's career in comparison with any of those aforementioned guys. It's not pretty. Even in his "shining" year, Mark was decidedly mediocre.
1. Eli wasn't the better player that year he kept turning the football over every game. There's a balance that must be achieved, just because you can throw TDs doesn't give you the right to turn the football over 2 or 3 times a game. Eli had a bad yr, Mark given the role he had played much better and his team was more successful because of that. 2. No excuse, I don't want my starting QB to play only 6 games out of 16. Reaching too hard. I'll take the QB that didn't turn the football over and played well enough for 11 wins. 3. He was average, and played his role just fine - helped us get to 11 wins - some coming from behind. Wavering minutes, I don't want Romo throwing the football - it's always a disaster. We never saw a "shining" year for Sanchez because he, and the FO didn't allow it to happen. Sanchez hatred at it's best. Reaching for excuses.
Me and Junc went through 2010 once and I ended up with Sanchez in the 12-15 range which Junc agreed was a solid placement for Sanchez in 2010. It is true though that 2010 was a down year and an injury prone year for some of the other QBs who would usually leapfrog Sanchez in the rankings. 2009- Sanchez had a bad year. Grade on a rookie curve vs Dalton, Flacco, Ryan, RGIII, Bradford, Stafford, Wilson, Luck, Sanchez ends up on the bottom end of this list with the rookie curve. 2010- Top 15 in the league. 2011- This is the hardest for me to judge. I would say below average but this year was very promising at times. 2012- Below average. It will be interesting to see Sanchez in this preseason game with a new offense even though it would be vanilla. Decision making is what I've been stressing on all offseason
1) Eli: 31 Tds, 25 Ints, Completion Percentage: 62.9%, QBR: 85.3 (btw, Eli had 14 more TD passes, not "5" - lol. Mark: 17Tds, 13 Ints, Comletion Percentage: 54.8%, QBR: 75.3 Eli had a markedly better year. 10 points on a QBR is significant. 2) We'll have to agree to disagree, here. I don't blame guys for getting hurt. You wanna say that Mark gave more to the Jets than Romo gave to the Cowboys because he stayed on the field? Fair enough. I'll grant you that. No problem. But don't say Mark "outplayed" Romo, because he really didn't. There's a larger point here. What does it say about the current state of Mark's career that his most ardent and fanatical supporters feel the need to go back and pontificate about a painfully mediocre season he had THREE YEARS AGO (A season, by the way, in which he posted a 75.3 quarterback rating and completed a mere 54.8 percent of his passes)???? I'm suddenly reminded about seeing the forest through the trees.
I know that Giants fans wanted Eli out after that regular season. It is something repeated by people supporting Sanchez... Isn't it possible that they just expect more from their team? Fan expectations are relative. Jets fans supported Chad Pennington for years after his arm fell off. We want to think we're smart for that. I don't agree with a lot of things champ says, but maybe he has a point.
I'm utterly fascinated by the very notion that there are actual Jets fans, in physical existence, who have watched this guy play every week over the last four seasons and still honestly believe he is the answer at quarterback. If Mark suddenly turns it around and goes on to enjoy an illustrious career with this organization, I promise I will eat my words and openly mock myself on this forum for doubting Sanchez and his seemingly fanatical supporters. I want that to happen more than anything. But, I don't know guys, I've watched this team along with the rest of the NFL for more years than I care to admit . . . and the thing with Mark is . . . I just don't see it. He sucks.
The fact that you will completely deny any of the clutch play he has displayed makes this giant block of text above not only irrelevant, but not worth the read. I'm sure that you have made good posts in the past, but since you haven't made any lately, I must consider you a complete idiot.
1. I don't care about QBR - it's an ESPN created statistic. I do care that Eli Manning played reckless the entire season and he cost his team a shot at the playoffs later in the year. I should of looked at the statistics online - but I didn't. It always comes down to this (for me), did you help your team win games or did you help lose them? It was clear Eli was instrumental in losing those games in 2010 - throwing interceptions with his left hand. Mark helped the team win 11 games. 2. Romo didn't do jack in 2010 because he was oft-injured. He shouldn't of even been in the conversation to begin with 3. The current state of MS is that he has a lot to prove and not a lot of time to do so. I don't think he will succeed here - that's due to the FO not doing their diligent work on developing QBs. The reason as to why people look back is because he was progressing well - somewhere along the lines something went terribly wrong - that issue is not just with Mark, but the team as a whole. This is something posters here just do not understand. One man doesn't make the team, Mark was never brought in here to play that role. He's not Peyton and he never was suppose to be.
The fact that you started your response with "The fact that you will completely deny any of the clutch play he has displayed . . ." only serves to illustrate that you either: A) Lack a capacity for basic reading comprehension (Since I never implicitly or explicitly implied such a thing) OR B) possess an overwhelming desire to illicit an dramatic response (i.e. You are "Trolling"). Having observed many of your posts in the past, I am going with choice B. And FYI, your assumption that I have never considered Mark's occasional clutch performances is entirely incorrect. I have. However, I have also considered everything else that I have seen from him. And what I have seen is a player whose performance has ranged anywhere from painfully mediocre to embarrassingly poor. He's just never been very good. And since we are making assessments on other merits of other posters . . . for the record, I don't consider you to be a complete idiot . . . But you aren't anywhere near as clever as you think you are.
1) The statistic I posted was not the one invented by ESPN. I posted the good, old fashioned, quarterback rating that was invented in the 70s (I believe) and can be found on NFL.com. Yes, there is a newer, fancier quarterback rating that ESPN invented, but it's not the one I posted. And btw, Mark performs horribly in that one, as well. 2) Again, this argument doesn't really interest me. We have different conceptions of what it means to get injured. Regardless, Romo has been the far better player for the majority of his career. You're still missing the big picture. Mark Sanchez has been a woefully disappointing starting NFL quarterback. Sure, there have been plenty of other issues with the team and I wholeheartedly agree that the team as a whole has taken a major step back. But the reality remains that, by any objective standard, Mark has performed poorly as a pro. In my opinion, he's been the biggest single weakness of the Jets since he's been here.
The biggest weakness has been the FO for selecting a player they could not develop. You don't win playoff games with the QB as your biggest weakness.
Very interesting. How the speech patterns attributed to your account have turned a 180 in the past year. Your number is 180. I just noticed it, but after I took a look... very fucking obvious. Shame on me.
LOL, I don't have a clue as to what you are referring to, but it doesn't seem particularly relevant to anything being discussed in this thread.
Also, WTF could you possibly mean by "Speech patterns" considering that A) We are writing, B) You've, presumably, never heard me speak, and C) A Speech pattern is an attribute of speech itself and has nothing to do with the content of what is being said? Also, assuming you are referring to some perception that you have of me changing my opinion, what issue have I done a "180" on? It certainly isn't Sanchez . . . I've been on the "Sanchez blows hard" bandwagon since, at least, late 2011. Are you sure you aren't thinking of someone else? LOL.
