While your right. How do they change it? Also this is happening so fast on the field..not like he lined him up took a run at him and purposely did it. Happening with in a second.. technology of the helmets has to get better. Every 3 years these guys are bigger faster stronger, there no way to prevent these kind of hits. The kid on San Francisco wasn't looking to hurt cumberland. He was making the play he suppose to make. Its inevitable this is gonna happen.
If the NFL does much more to protect players then just stick flags on their belts and be done with it. Sorry but part of the reason players get paid big bucks Is that football is a violent sport. I have no desire to watch 800 yard passing games because defenders can't touch a receiver. They do much more and I'll stop watching the game.
Players CAN change their ways The prevalent way to cover now is to lay off, allow the catch, then smack the head, separating the receiver from the ball & his senses 30 years ago, the play was to stick tight and deflect the pass(a la Revis) or time your hit around the waist to arrive at the same time as the ball. Al Toon was one of the first receivers I can remember who was subjected to the vicious head shots. The style now, (Revis excepted) is for lesser talented DBs lay-off and torpedo the receiver. This style can be changed. The next step is going to be game-ejections and/or suspensions for such types of hits
I don't know... in my opinion if the get these guys condition to start hitting low and people knees start blowing out, nfl will have a whole different problem. I do agree with you, size and speed of guys, something has to give. Potentially someone could get killed. again, this is happening so fast and it's instinctive. In reality these coaches are telling these guys take the 15 if you have to, don't pull up and possibly give up a touchdown. While we got the bemefit of this call today, soon we will be on the other end of one. No good anwser I see.
I'm asking not arguing.. so your position is, have these guys pull up to avoid these kind of hits? Also keep in mind for them happening in a seconds time.. when I watch in slow motion I can say, well maybe he could have done something different.. there like cars moving out there. Lol not that easy in my opinion
Ill end with this.. your talking difference of 6 inches. I don't think the guy today did anything intentional. I understand your point. Mine is its so fast. There doing what they can
I'm not arguing either:grin: Any player leading with the top of his helmet in 2013 has only himself to blame. The penalty has to be made more severe. There can't be any room for dirty teams like the Steelers or Bucs to use the helmet to helmet as a part of their strategy ( See Jets vs Pitts game 2 2012 hits on Sanchez & Greene)
I understand. But I guess my point is hard to tell the difference between intentional and by accident. In my opinion the hits today weren't intentional. He was closing on the ball. No doubt those penalties helped us get a win. Tough thing to figure out. I get it, if the plan is we keep throwing flags till they stop. O think on quick plays like today, there no stopping. Even when they showed the replays. It didn't look dirty
^ This. I've played both american football and also at a high level in rugby (feel free to post insults here) - which is a sport that basically only allows football shoes as far as protection, and that's it. Still, to this day, American football has way more concussions than rugby, and to my experience it's a technique and rules issue. If you can't wrap up in rugby, you're fucked. It's all about how the game is set up. It's hard to think of a way outside of simply hitting a receiver now, but if there's rules in place (there'd be some growing pains with some ugly suspensions, for sure) where a "defenseless player" cannot be hit in the head or below the waist, in short time players will adapt. And the game would be better for it. There is no reason a team should be punished with an injury to a starter, simply because an opposing player was reckless. As of today, this reckless player gets penalized in yards while the other team gets penalized with losing a player for an ungiven amount of time. I just think it's wrong and I'm hoping to see it adjusted.
Three times in one game the same player takes out three opposing players by leading with the helmut (speared two guys in the head and hit Hill in the ribs). I could see not ejecting him from the game given that the refs can't see everything. Once they have time to review the film of this game the NFL needs to suspend this jerk before he ends someone else's career. It is one thing to be aggressive. It is another to repeatedly project yourself as a missile hitting helpless unsuspecting players with your helmut, especially when you are aiming for their head.
It's an interesting thought, but I don't think it would ever be agreed upon by anyone really. Does it only happen on illegal hits? What about clipping? What about if the player has a concussion history and it's the final one he gets? What happens if the player is on the verge of retirement and that hit made him retire instead of coming back for one or two years? And then what happens if it was an illegal hit by the rules, the refs missed, and the player is hurt? What happens if it was flagged illegal, wasn't illegal, and the players is injured? It is a novel approach to cut down on it, I just don't see it being reasonable. I do think the fine should be a percentage rather than a flat fee.(I think it's a flat fee) EDIT: Also imagine Suggs on the Ravens pops Ridley over the middle illegally. You're telling me Bill would try to get Ridley back quickly, or would a team take more time than usual to bring Ridley back? Oh boy, it would create so many coaching/GM decisions to hold players back and etc to sabotage another team. I think if they enforce players to stop using their helmet as a weapon and eventually design a safer helmet, it won't get to flag football. So far, they seem to do a better job not calling roughing the passer on clean, good hits on the QB.
Not for nothing, on the cumberland pass the kid had time to adjust. He could have popped him square in the chest. He was clearly pushing his luck. I'd say there is a 1000% chance especially after the recent settlement that he will be fined.
Yes. Coaches with a history of crap like this should be shut out of NFL coaching. Ots just like the Bounty system. Schiano, and Schwartz both teach dirty play.
Thanks. Ive held that position for Hockey and Football for years. Not on a clean hit, but if its deemed outsode fair play, on the spot pf afterward, said plYer should be suspended without pay until the injured guy gets back.
See above, yes illegal hits, subject to appeal. But players and coaches with ahistory of dirty play need to be out of the game.
With the new rules compelling teams to send players into the locker room to be evaluated for concussions, it gives a greater incentive to defenses to play viciously and perhaps even aim for helmet to helmet contact, especially in regards to impact players. In some instances, the penalty for the hit might be worth while to the opposing team in order to take a player, or multiple players (like we had happen to us yesterday), out of the game for a period of time. I think that the NFL needs to institute a rule that accounts for this. Maybe something along the lines of taking the offending player out of the game for the same amount of time as the evaluation of the potentially injured player's evaluation...
