Gates can get open even tho is agility and ball skills are bad, he got track speed to get open thats why we didnt cut him.
Josh Gordon is going to be more expensive than Braylon Edwards was. That's a 2nd round pick at a minimum and maybe another pick on top of that. That's not the kind of move that a franchise trying to recover from years of trade-ups and trades makes. If Gordon winds up available at a bargain basement price then maybe you have to do the move, but if it blows up in your face it's your fault because everybody in the NFL knows the fuse is lit on that keg already.
Cleveland has started off asking for a 2nd round pick. I've got a 90 Geo metro I'm asking $1500 for too, but I'll take 1200. If we were to offer them a 3rd I bet they jump on it unless someone else offers the 2nd. I really like the kid but I seriously don't think he's better than any WR coming out of the draft. That would be Sammy Watkins. Though Sammy will undoubtedly be a 1st rounder. So with that in mind I say Gordon for a 3rd is better value then losing a 1st and rolling the dice on an unproven commodity. Not to mention who knows where Watkins might fall in the draft.
The 49ers would have dived all over this for a playoff 2nd already if Gordon was sound and the Browns were willing. There are other cap issues also. Gordon is going to be a helluva lot more expensive in a couple of years than the guy you draft next year, even if you take the guy in the 1st. He's going to come up for renewal at the same time Coples and Demario Davis do. We'll be back to the Ferguson-Mangold/Revis-Harris situation where we traded later picks to bundle value and then had to pay them all at once.
Arigatou Lon ^ This. Potential Tannebaum 2.0 While the roster's still in flux (and to 'conrad hilton' spin it): draft picks, draft picks, draft picks...no need to get caught with their pants down again depth-wise (see: Colin Baxter).
Geno does need some play maker help, but he needs his protection help first. If Jets can get a quality LG to shitcan Vlad, that would be much more immediate help for Geno.
It's impossible to speculate exactly what the Niners would offer and what the Browns would accept. I agree but I still think a 3rd MIGHT get it done. As far as cap issues, I have to disagree with you. #1 - Coples and Davis, as of now, will not command the same salary as Ferguson and Mangold did. Both were pro-bowl players at extremely important positions by the time their rookie deals were up. They will need extensions, but I doubt they will command the deals that those guys got. #2 - Gordon has two years left after this on his rookie contract for $825,000 and $1.06 respectively. That is tremendous value. Let's say the Jets were to draft a WR in round one with pick #13. That contract would be something like Richardson's deal where the 3rd and 4th years would be $1.3 and $1.7 mil. How much more would it take for Gordon to resign in those years? I don't know but Cruz just got 8 mil a year. So lets say Gordon get 6 mil those 2 years. In essence, it would cost roughly 9 mil more for those 2 years while getting a proven WR.
Britt is at best a #2. We don't need anymore of those. I think Gordon at 22 years old could make us playoff contender or even divisional favorite this year. With all the picks we have a 2nd rounder is not too much. With Geno's pinpoint accuracy a line up of Gordon, Hill, and Holmes can be scary.
why would seattle do that? injuries happen and they need the depth for a title run ... plus, its not like their passing game is lighting the league on fire hes an ufa next year, that is not a good deal cruz deal split the difference b/w the high end slot and outside receivers ... gordon will get paid like the top outside receivers. i see mike wallaces deal as his floor i generally enjoy the upbeat nature of your posts, and you usually add good value to this board ... but every once in a while you say some off the wall shit. this is certainly one of those times
Gordon's #s aren't that great, but people are proclaiming he'd be #1 on the Jets when Kerley put up very similar #s last year with MFS throwing him the ball. He's only 2 years in and already has tons of off field issues. I say #3 at best because he's obviously not better than Holmes, and we're not giving up on Hill this quickly. He's about even with Kerley as well, so I'm not so sure he even plays over him. Kerley put up more yards last year with the exact same amount of attempts. He had a better rookie year than Hill, sure, but nothing that warrants giving up a pick for him. Either way it doesn't really matter any more. Cleveland has already said they are no longer looking to trade him.
i never thought we had a shot at obtaining him, anyway but 50 catches for 800 yards are great numbers for a rookie wide wr ... especially given his circumstances (terrible qb last year and missing his last collegiate season) i dont think youve watched him play
Pretty much what GJF said. The Browns would be nuts to offer Gordon at a 2nd round pick given that they have no other difference-makers at the position. Gordon has all the natural ability in the world and has much better long speed than some on here have been led to believe, but the guy sometimes runs the wrong route and sometimes drops the ball. He's gotten markedly better in his route execution this year, though (takign them sharper, not rounding off). Still, his best value is beating his man deep (7, 8, 9 routes), not the interior quicker routes. Not the best fit in a WCO.
Would LOVE Gordon keep in mind we have 2 third rounders I would gladly trade either one of them for him. Holmes shows up to play about once a month... I really hope they cut him after the year and save all that cap space. I might even consider the second round pick as we would still have a solid 3 out of the top 75/80 picks, and a solid WR who is proven.
Second rounders are hit or miss anyway I mean we took Nugent and Duccasse in those rounds. I would take the risk.
