:rofl:Wow, the scouting report on him is the complete opposite: questionable hands, fast and a good blocker.
40 times are misleading, look at Manti Teo, he shit the bed in 40 time but they guy is all over the place on the field making tackles. I'm just going by what I've seen... I don't see him playing fast in-game and he hasn't been a good blocker but catches damn near everything thrown at him.
Kerley, for obvious reasons. Hill, young, cheap on rookie contract, and worlds of potential. Ivory, runs hard, and young. Goodson, brings speed to the team. Could be cut if he doesn't show he's 100% in training camp. Powell, still under contract. We could do much worse. Cumberland, if he resigns cheap. That's pretty much it. Keep some guys because they are good, some because they have potential, and some because they're under contract and we can do much worse.
Except the 3rd down vs the Patriots to ice the game. I know that doesn't tell the whole story, but his hands aren't good. Matter fact, he dropped a perfect pass last week.
Skill position players...? Roster Kerley, Bohanan, Ivory, Powell Kerley, Ivory & Powell have done plenty enough for me to keep them around. Definitely no need to overhaul the backfield. I'm for giving Bohanan a 2nd year as he has done fairly well for a rookie in the situations we are in. Protections is always one of the most difficult things to pick up and lord knows he's had his hands full to learn them with the jailbreak blitzes we've endured thanks to "no progression/lock on to receiver" Smith. Camp I'd keep Salas, Nelson, Cumberland, Suderland & Hill for camp to compete. I really like Nelson as a big possession guy...he does need to hit the Jugs machine to fix those hands. The others...let them smack each other around for the 3/4 & 5th slots on the team. This is IT for Hill. I wasn't expecting Jerry Rice this year but I was sure as hell expecting more than what we got. That monster hit he took early in the year could have sealed his career. I've seen it before with guys on the "bubble"...they get tuned up and never come back from it. He just hasn't been the same since. If he can't compete then don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you. Gone Winslow, Goodsen, Holmes...gone. As far as Holmes is concerned, I don't care where he goes but his welcome has worn thin with the Jets. He's a talent when healthy but I'm willing to bet health is something that eludes him for the rest of his career. Goodsen is going to be in prison...damn good thing he didn't get busted in NY or that is DEFINITELY where he would be. Garrard/Winslow...retires while they can still walk. Geno and Simms get to fight it out for the 3rd roster spot but the other is gone. Sanchez is a coin flip. Financially, FORCE him to take a pay cut and let him compete with a F/A vet AND a drafted stud...or cut him loose and let a signed F/A vet, Simms/Smith and drafted stud compete.
I don't think Teo will be very good, I agree his hands are too small and he doesn't seem to be able to dominate one on one. I was just commenting that he plays much faster than his 40 time indicated.
I know we're all fed up with everybody but to be fair, it's really difficult to evaluate these guys when your QB has by wide margin the lowest total quarterback rating in the league of anyone not named Josh Freeman. That said, I think Kerley stays in the slot, Holmes is let go, Ivory and Powell stay, everyone else can fight for a roster spot.
The scouting report I just gave you is from what I've seen. What you probably have issues with is his quickness. He does not get in and out of his breaks fast but there are very few TEs in the league that get down field on seam routes faster than Cumberland. Cumberland is no Chris Ivory when it comes to drops but he's definitely not as sure-handed as Winslow. I'm not sure who your are comparing Cumberland's blocking too but he is easily the best blocking TE on the team by a wide margin.
What, no Clyde Gates? :wink: Seriously, imo the only definite keeper on your list is Kerley. I'd bring back the others as well as Ivory, Goodson, Powell, Bohannon, Winslow, and maybe Nelson to compete in camp. Hopefully some of those would no longer be on the team following TC. I'd like to see Idzik add at least one WR, TE and RB in FA (maybe more), and then hopefully draft at least one, if not two WRs and a TE. Sanchez and Holmes are definitely gone.
I agree. It wouldn't be all that hard to upgrade Kerley's spot as the slot receiver. He ought to have to compete just like the rest of the team.
What, Oline requires no skill? lol, i never liked the 'skilled position' term, although guess its better than 'ball handlers' I like Kerley, Ivory, Powell. hoping Cribbs can play one more year, albeit a special teams role. All the rest really need to fight for a roster spot. No locks for Cumberland, Goodson, Sudfeld, Nelson, Salas, Hill, Bohanan, Campbell. I'm not sure any really belong on an NFL field, so they still have a lot to prove. Holmes and Winslow just let go.
With regard to your OL comment, I'd love to see Idzik bring in some competition not only for Winters and Colon, but also for Brick, Mangold and Howard. I've always thought that most Jets fans grossly overrated both Brick and Mangold. Mangold was the better of the two, but he has always struggled with big NTs like Wilfork and often was unable to move his man off the line and open holes. Brick's play has steadily declined for the last 2-3 seasons. He will need to be replaced sooner rather than later. The problem with replacing Brick is that one probably has to use their #1 pick to secure his replacement. His play has been so bad this year however, that Idzik may need to do that in order to protect whomever their starting QB is in 2014. I have hopes that the Dalton kid from Clemson might develop into Mangold's replacement. Mangold will probably be pretty solid or at least serviceable for another 2-3 years. I think Brick definitely needs to be replaced within the next year. I never was a fan of his
There in is the issue.. he's the best blocking TE on the team but he's not very good at it and they haven't used a tackle eligible much to offset the lack of a blocking TE. Before Gronk and Hernandez Belicheat used to do that all the time to give Brady extra time and use either Watson or Faulk as a check down. Your comment about him getting in/out of breaks is the issue I see with his speed. That coupled with half of his catches being crossing/out patterns. That's not his game. Only elite TE's can be used effectively in that way. Most teams sit their TE's in a zone or use them in seam patterns where a single high safety was moved away to help with WR coverage. The Jets don't do this much at all and not at the most critical parts of the field, inside their own 20 where they need to get out of their own end or inside the red zone. Cumberland has 2 of his 20 catches in the red zone and 1 inside their own 20. If they want to use the TE that extensively with crosses / sideline patterns he's not the guy imho.
Brick and Mangold are locked up, if you look at their contracts they aren't going anywhere. Colon and Howard are UFAs. Howard could be back, Colon not so much. Not liking the Izdick regime so far. We seem to be giving rookies too much playing time before they are ready to take over.
Colon I would let walk. Howard re-sign cheap but maybe add a tackle in the draft to compete. Winters cannot go into training camp as unquestioned starter at other guard spot either. D'Brick and Mangold have their contracts, but they're also overpaid, especially Mangold. It's not insane to think 1 of them could be traded, but then you also create a hole at the position that needs to be addressed.
Jason on nyjetscap has mentioned trading Mangold as possibility. He's an expert on our cap situation, so I'm guessing the cap hit for moving Mangold cannnot be bad if he is mentioning it as a possibility. I still see it as a longshot just because center is 2nd most important position on the line and you can still buy the idea of Mangold being average to above average for the next 2-3 seasons.
Kerley would be one of the better #3 WR in the league, and a competent #2. Only standout skill position player on the team.
Jason needs to check his math. Mangold has one less year than Brick but he is the better player of the two. The cap hit for trading either one would be pretty bad especially when you consider the cost of filling the hole left in their wake.
