What Offensive Skill Players Stay

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  1. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    Kerley is the only guy on that list who shouldn't be moved. He could be a high level #3 receiver in this league. The rest of guys are Meh. Ivory shows flashes of it but not consistent enough. Maybe I'd include Ivory too but just these two players. Everyone else can be replaced.
     
  2. Br4d

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    I was half expecting the Jets to cut Hill coming out of camp this year. It's not the lack of production and it's not drops. It's that he just doesn't look like an NFL wide receiver. He looks like a long-jumper who got pads stuck on him and tossed onto the field.
     
  3. TNJet

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    You put our offense and skill in the same sentence. LMFAO!!!!!!!!!;-)
     
  4. NCJetsfan

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    I think there's a very good reason why the rookies have gotten extensive playing time...Idzik is trying to develop the young players and determine who are keepers and can help the team going forward. I think he had pretty much written off this season in terms of wins. He was trying to see if Geno is their QB of the future and develop the young players as quickly as possible.
     
  5. JetsNation06

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    I've been saying this on here since his rookie year. It really is perplexing to me how this guy even made it this far as a WR. He moves so unnaturally out there as an athlete, let alone a WR.
     
  6. James Hasty

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    I know what he is trying to do but I do not think he has the right approach towards talent development and evaluation.

    Bad decisions are what separate the perennial losers from the dominant teams in the league.
     
  7. HardHitta

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    Kerley and Ivory.

    Everybody else is replaceable and in a need of an upgrade.
     
  8. MexicanJet

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    Why at least bring Salas in to TC? Dude's got some good hands and from the little I've seen can get some YAC..
     
  9. kevmvp

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    Kerley and Ivory can stay

    Hill can stay just based off of potential but he gets demoted until he starts showing something.

    The rest are all marginal players. The guys that I said can stay are all average players but they have more value then the others.

    Ivory is a good change of pace back and does things some other RB's cant with YAC.

    Hill is 6'4 with great speed, it's hard to just give up on his physical gifts after only 2 seasons with poor QB play and a poor all around offense in general (although I guess he does contribute to that)

    And Kerley is a solid slot player. Nothing more.

    Goodson is also another player who should probably stay but coming off an injury nothing should be given to him.
     
  10. IIMeanDeanII

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    Kerley is the only difference maker on this team. He's the only one you sit there and think, "We really need this guy, I'm glad he's on our team."

    Which is kinda sad, not taking anything away from him but he's no number 1 or 2 and those positions are needed in today's NFL badly.
     
  11. CurbYourEnthusiasm

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    Kerley is a keeper for sure. I'd keep all 3 RBs as well.

    I would put Hill on notice that if he doesn't have a good camp or start to the season he's a goner.
     
  12. FJF

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    kerley,ivory,powell,salas,nelson,hill,cumberland and tommy bohanon stay.they are all cheap with enough potential to be allowed to compete in t.c. the hook on hill is short though. i put him at the top of the cut list if there is a spot needed. ivory,powell,kelrey and bohanon should be locks for roster spots. nelson can make a case for the #4 spot, if he has to do more we could be in trouble. i have no problem with kerley in the slot.too many holes to worry about to try to upgrade there. same with bohanon. cumberland is a #2 t.e. if we can keep him in that spot we have upgraded the t.e. position.sala as a developmental 5 spot isn't bad but he better earn his keep on teams.

    holmes is a wild card, if he wants to take a dramatic paycut and stay we could do worse at #2 wr. otherwise he is gone. pay doesn't equal production. winslow is gone, he isn't the game changer he could have been coming out of the U. goodson gone.legal troubles plus an acl is a no brainer.

    so the shopping list is made up of:
    speed threat at rb
    #1 wr
    #1 te
    haven't looked at the pending f.a. around the league but if we can pull the te or wr from f.a. we maybe able to get the other 2 in the draft
     
  13. MoWilkNYJ

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    Very few play-makers on our team. I like Kerley, hopefully he stays a Jet.

    There are a lot of good receivers in the draft right now. Hopefully things stay the same, and no matter where we draft, we can take a receiver without it being considered a reach.

    I wouldn't mind doubling down on receivers in the first two rounds if the draft falls that way.

    I wouldn't mind Kerley+Hill+FA receiver+high draft pick rookie. Hopefully it's not a Mike Wallace type contract FA though.
     
  14. IBLEEDGREEN17

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    Kerley & Powell.

    + Ivory if we don't land another starting RB
     
  15. Barry the Baptist

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    I'm actually not as down on our WRs as some because I think it's tough to tell what we have with them as most of them have never had a halfway decent QB throwing them the ball.

    I'd start with Ivory and Goodson assuming he isn't in prison. Powell isn't anything great and I think could be replaced with a younger and cheaper version.

    Hill (I'm still waiting to see him with a decent QB because we know he is the guy who goes somewhere else and breaksout) Salas (I like what I've seen of him, seems to work hard and has some skills, maybe not a starter but not a bad 4th WR), Kerley (obviously) and Nelson has earned a shot to compete next year. He plays hard and is physical.

    QB - Geno , we spent a 2nd round pick on the guy. He obviously isn't ready but I think he can sit behind a quality QB and I think with some development could be a decent backup.

    TE - Sudfield, give this guy some time and see what he has. Cumberland, another guy I'd like to see with a decent QB
     
  16. Footballgod214

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    Actually, Mangold over the years has been the ONLY center that actually COULD handle Wilfork, for what it's worth.

    Now as far as adding to the o-line, help me out here.

    It seems like every attempt to beef up the o-line through the draft turns into a 'project' with so-so results at best (Mangold aside who was drafted in the first round).

    But FA lineman that have been brought in have been a lot better a lot quicker.

    Seems like when it comes to the o-line, getting a young player that's had a few years in the league off some other team that shows promise puts you way ahead of the curve. I wouldn't waste picks on lineman. I'd have my scouts scout every young backup, every practice squad guy, and every FA from every other team. Grab one or two of the best every year.
     
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  17. Big Derty

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    Not quite. Second round pick vs three top tens.
     
  18. The Unicorn

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    Consider in Ivory's favor that he runs behind a spotty line, and in the last few games against a stacked box and defenses with no respect for the Jets' passing ability. A good portion of his yards seem to be of his own making, gained after first contact.

    The Jets have given a lot of time to rookies this season, partly from lack of alternatives. Idzik took over a depleted team and spent last off-season clearing a bunch of junk off the roster. Right now there aren't great alternatives to many of the rookies, and we're in an evaluation period anyway. I'm not sure this rookie-heavy season signifies all that much about the general attitude of the new regime.
     
  19. BrowningNagle

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    I don't know about next season, but I'm willing to bet in 2015 none of the "skill" players on this team will be in their current position on the team. I see drastic overhaul. New QB, New RB (powell probably stays as 3rd string) New WRs (kerley stays on the end of the bench)
     
  20. TonyMaC

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    it seems that we're all pretty much sold on Jeremy Kerley in particular.

    with this thought, anybody else want the jets to grant him an extension of some kind? next year is his last on contract, we could lock him up for cheap at this stage of his career if we're sure he's a vital enough piece to the puzzle to warrant him being such a sure thing.

    At this point he and two players not on the team, hopefully our 1st rd pick and a FA veteran (nicks? Maclin?) should be numbers 3,2, and 1 on the depth chart respectively.

    Hill is given a chance to make a specialized niche in our run blocking and deep passing scheme (as a #4, why he's been a #2 on our team the last two years is beyond me) and if he can't do that, he gets the axe. lets hope the pats don't swoop in and make him work.

    Salas and Nelson get a shot at camp and thats it, the rest of the WR corp gets cut and replaced by a influx of rookie WR's.

    I'm at a loss as to what to do with the TE position, I'll have to get back to that later.

    Ivory's alright, no reason to move on from him but he's obviously no work horse. he and powell make a decent pair if nothing elite. It'd be nice if goodson could still provide something, but with his injury I'm not sure if he even makes it to camp.

    what the jets really need is a catch all Offensive Weapon, somebody that can provide a spark in both the running and passing game at once, maybe a be a KR/PR as well.

    all i know is at least two of the jets first 4 draft picks should be skill position acquisitions. help on the O-line is acceptable as well, as is a BPA pick for Saftey, OLB, or QB (expect the first rd, grab a blue chip WR for once.)
     

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