A lot of times he looks like a horse trying to run a dog agility course, and he almost always catches with his body. If he's able to be coached out of it, either Sanjay Lal sucks to the Nth degree or he's just not coach-able. I haven't seen him improve at all over the past 2 seasons.
stop with the turning into superstars nonsense, they'd be better w/ all time great QBs but one of the reasons the QB play was so bad was b/c they were relying on Hill to contribute.
Yet Kerley (with Sanchez) and Nelson were far more productive with Geno throwing to them than Hill was.
He can't contribute on the bench and that is where he will be if he is still on the team. I don't think anybody on the planet has had even one tiny good thing to say about our receivers last year and that is why they are trying to replace all of them. Hill is part of that group they are replacing.
Has Hill been a disappointment to date?..hell yes. Is this his sink or swim year?..absolutely. Am I ready to call him a bust?...not quite. Last year he had a few flashes of the type of player he could be, and then he got hurt. When we drafted Hill he was not remotely ready for the role we wanted him to play and we did him a huge disfavor. He was not ready to be a starter in the NFL never mind "the guy". This year he needs to bury the ghost of the past and come ready to be the long, take it to the house threat we expected of him. He needs to suck it up and bring with him the confidence to go with his athleticism. Surrounded by a much better cast of receivers he should be able to flourish and bring his role to the level the CS envisioned. If he does that, he will be head and shoulders better than Nelson, if he does not, he will be written off as another over drafted project gone bad. Hill and only Hill can make the much needed quantum leap in his performance happen. He has what it takes physically, he needs to reach deep inside and figure out if he has the mental toughness and football savvy to be a star. I'm still hopeful this year we will see the Hill we all expected.
I think this is a pretty common misconception. Nelson was not "far" more productive then Hill. They actually had pretty similar stat lines. Hill - 24 rec / 59 tgts - 342 yds - 1TD Nelson - 36 rec / 60 tgts - 423 yds - 2TD Nelson saw a lot more targets then Hill did towards the end of the season as he and Geno developed a pretty good chemistry. I think that has a lot to do with people thinking he "produced" more. But let's be honest, Neither of them cemented themselves as a WR worthy of a starting spot last season.
those #s look far more productive to me especially for a guy who wasn't here in camp or to start the season.
They played the same number of games, and You're talking about a 4th year player who came out of a more pro-style offense in college vs. a 2nd year project player who caught 49 balls all through college, and has been dealing with a couple nagging injuries throughout his 2 years. I should hope that Nelson produced more then Hill, But the fact that the stats were even close is a pretty damning for Nelson as far as what his potential is. Asking to cut Hill and keep Nelson based on their stats last season is being incredibly short sited, That's all I'm saying.
I understand that he's been a disappointment my point is that it's too soon to give up on him. Due to his cheap contract and age he should be given a last chance in his 3rd season.
Nelson came off the street, while Hill has been here since training camp. For him to come in and out produce Hill is damning to Hill.
I've seen Hill wide open on numerous occasions go back and watch some of our games.This will be Hills last chance this season ,I expect him to be 4th or 5 the on depth chart unless he shows something diffrent in pre season
Nelson wasn't here for camp, Hill was in his 2nd camp. Hill was a starter to start the year, Nelson was a castoff not fully healthy. Hill should have been more productive. I am not giving up on Hill but he has been a disappointment and he is running out of chances.
I think you are overstating it, has it happened? I'm sure it has but I guarantee you it wasn't numerous occasions. I have also seen him be the guilty party on more than numerous occasions. again, I'm not giving up on him but he has not been good.
It's not about stats it's about who looks better playing the position. Watch the damn games. Nelson runs better routes and does a better job using his hands to catch the ball. He also comes back to the ball, Nelson runs his route and if Geno is back there with the ball looking for a receiver he comes back and makes himself open. It's just the little things like that that makes him better than Hill. Like I've said in this thread I want Hill to get a shot in year 3 to prove himself. However he's not better than Nelson.
He has the size and speed he just doesn't have the other qualitys needed to be a top Wr.But with that said I could see him going to another team and having success ,we haven't been known for developing offensive talent in what seems like a decade
Specials?!? He can barely play WR. He is not a football player. What can he do on specials? He is skinny as a rail, can't tackle, can't return kicks. As another poster said he looks awkward on the field, he does not properly catch the ball and has no open field moves, most of the time he usually just falls down, like he is just happy and surprised he just actually caught the ball. Unless he makes some marked improvement, his role may end up being just running go routes to stretch the field and maybe throw a prayer to him 1-2x a game.
Hill is still learning how to be a NFL WR, He was also dealing with knee issues throughout his first year and during TC of year 2. Anyone who says he's been a disappointment has had unreal expectations, probably set by his draft position. Do I wish Hill had a better introduction to the league, Yes. Am I disappointed or surprised by his struggles, Absolutely not. There are plenty of times Hill was open and not targeted for one reason or another Nelson in his 4th year as a WR basically made a lateral move to a similar style offense. He's a big body possession WR with a low ceiling, That's all. The discrepancy in stats is more because Geno looked for Nelson on short routes more then Hill. ( Hill had 3 more yards per catch on average ).
Nelson had knee issues too hence why he was available for us. And we only signed him because guys got hurt/got cut. However no one had any crazy expectations for him. All we wanted was for him to be consistent. Just be productive. He's had 2 or 3 good games in his career and a few good moments here and there. But there's no excuse for his shit play. I'm sure Hill probably had been open a few times but you're probably overstating it. From what I remember watching he was hardly open nor did he know how to use his body to shield off smaller defenders to get himself open. Plus the QB didn't trust him to throw the ball up and let him go get it. He's 6'4/6'5 and plays like he's 5'9.
Nelson's first 2 seasons he played 31 games against #3 and #4 CBs with Steve Johnson on the opposite side. Hill spent 1/4 of his first 2 seasons on the IR and the rest of the time thrust into a #2 role he's not ready for. I think that makes a big difference. The QB not trusting him is not on him. This write up does a pretty good job of documenting his progress / struggles at the beginning of last season before the injury. Worth the read. http://thejetsblog.com/bga/bga-receivers-hill-streak-blues/
So the QB just woke up and decided not to trust Hill just for the hell of it? Hill did absolutely nothing to make the QB not trust him? You sound like a Sanchez apologist blaming everybody but Sanchez for his problems.
