The problem is Rex is gonna be the fall guy this year no matter who's fault it really is ,and we all know its Idziks fault more then anyones unless Woody told him to not spend then Woody needs to own up to it if that's the case
But you are comparing the two. I keep hearing this "develop" shit. Russell Wilson walked into this league a stud. He had the talent, he had the drive, and the GM knew it. Does a coaching staff matter in a players development? Of course, but don't sit here and crown Pete Carroll as a savior in developing quarterbacks. Andrew Luck = talent. Russell Wilson = talent. Colin Kaepernick = talent. Andy Dalton = talent. These are all guys taken that had the talent to be an NFL qb. Geno Smith doesn't. The same problems he was having in college, he is still having in his second year. That's the coaches fault? You honestly believe Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith would be starters in this league if they had a better head coach? No fuckin way. We have swung and missed endlessly at QB and that falls on the shoulders of the GM, not the head coach. And let's not talk about the talent placed around the QB. Hell, even Mark Sanchez led the show for two years one game away from a superbowl. The reason? Talent. Rex Ryan was still the coach then. Nothing was different but one thing. We had talent on the roster.
he drafted a player who is on IR and he signed one that ended up being crazy. shit happens unfortunately
If we fire Idzik Rex is going to be gone You don't rebuild with a GM that doesn't have his own guy coaching
Your answer is McDougle and Patterson? Guys like Revis, Rodgers-Cromartie, Cromartie, Verner, etc. were all available for the taking and our answer was an injury prone third rounder and Dimitri Patterson? Wow. I like McDougle a lot and think he will be great. I also liked Patterson, but Idzik swung and missed completely at corner.
Even if Patterson didn't lose his shit the guy fuking sucks that signing wouldn't have made our situation any better if he was still on the team And mcdougle was the biggest reach in the draft could have go him 2 rounds later
I'm sorry man I'm just done with all the Rex hype. Tannenbaum & Rex supposedly worked closely together during their time together and where did the offense go during that time. Don't tell me about the 2 AFCC because every year Rex has been here the offense has been ignored and depleted of whatever little talent it had. Rex is NOT a HC, he's a DC with the title of HC. If he wants to concentrate on defense so much then maybe he can get a job with Pettine in Cleveland as his DC. I'm done
You say not to bring up the two AFCC games but then say every year the offense has gotten worse. So you're gonna ignore the two years Rex had talent on the roster and two years of his coaching career because it doesn't fit your argument. Ok
I understand the differences between Wilson and Geno. But the Seahawks offense as a whole is talented. It's not just Wilson. Lynch is a beast, the play calling is good. They have an identity on offense. The Jets never have an identity on offense. There ground and pound, then there gonna air it out, then there ground and pound again, now there what? I have no idea besides just poor altogether. You need to implement a system/style of play and then bring guys in who fit that system you set in place. The Jets don't do that cause there constantly changing things. I understand thats not all the HC's fault but Rex inherited a pretty talented offense and it's just diminished over the years to what it is now. He has to take some blame for that. Otherwise, whats his job? I'm not crowning Carroll a savior. I know very well how talented Wilson is, as well as the other guys you mentioned. But like you said having a coach who knows how to develop a QB can help, at worst it certainly can't hurt. I understand your point about "development" in general but there are ways to bring a QB along and there are ways not to. Geno Smith at best never should have came right into the league and started, neither should Sanchez have. That much is obvious. I understand an injury forced Geno into the starting role but I just haven't seen anything from Rex that shows me he is qualified to be handed yet another young QB. I just don't. Rex just hasvn't proved he can manage the offensive side of the ball. That's a huge problem in todays NFL. Chip Kelly said it best "score f*ckin points". I'm not abolishing Idzik of any blame. But I just realize that he isn't going anywhere so calling for him to be fired means nothing cause it's not happening. He will get to hire a new HC.
It's all about what have you done for me lately and Rex hasn't done much to get this team ready to compete. Time to move on.
So first you say Idzik didn't do anything to address the situation. Then, when you are told all the things he did, you change it to him swinging and missing. You gotta realize Idzik's priorities are not the same as yours. He's trying to build a successful long-term approach, whereas you just want to do well this season, without caring about how that impacts our future, since that will just give you something else to whine about later. How would bringing in and overpaying aging veterans like Revis or Cromartie help him with long-term success? Or overpaying DRC? Or bringing in Verner who is a zone CB, when you have a coach who is anti-zone? Playing those guys now (for huge money) would just take away opportunities from younger players who could be part of our long term future (like Milliner, McDougle, etc). Injuries had something to with that, but that's life. Also, why is all the blame for shitty drafts laid at Idzik's door and not at Rex's? Was Rex spectacular at drafting before Idzik got here? I must've missed that when Rex's first two years with Tanenbaum produced zero decent players. You guys do know that Idzik does not make draft picks, right? He oversees the process, during which the scouts provide evaluations, and then the FO + head coaching staff + scouts all try to reach a consensus on players' value. So I am guessing Rex and his coaches have a lot of input on who we end up drafting, and in his 6 years, it hasn't been pretty.
This is a fair question and a fair argument. I'll repost what i wrote earlier today because I feel it best reflects my fundamental counterargument. The Big Picture: A retort to some common Rex defenses (pun intended):
I've read enough of your posts to know you have a man crush on Rex and that's your prerogative , but you can't ignore the demise of this team over the last few years and Rex had a hand in that. I was happy to give Rex another shot this season but his nine lives are now over for me. Those AFCC games feel as long ago as the Namath guarantee.
i just told you DRC hasn't been good for the giants, verner doesn't fit our system at all and is clearly a zone CB that doesn't excel in man coverage, and revis is a $20 million man. this would hinder the future of the franchise (which i thought every fucking agreed on two years ago)
I just hope we're able to "rebuild" before this D-line fades away. It would be such a shame to waste a championship front 7.
did you see how the team ran through a brick wall for Rex yesterday? how many coaches can get guys all fired up like that?
