The biggest thing since that New England game is this team has completely forgotten how to perform on the road. They are simply horrible away from home. They often seem defeated before the game even starts. And guess who the biggest culprit is? You guessed it..the offense.
The D doesn't get a pass, the D blew the GB game and was atrocious from the start at SD. the O has certainly had their shre of awful games too and sometimes it is both but to single out the O isn't fair b/c the D's have either been lit up or just melted at the worst times. road losses: 2011: at Oak: all D at NE: D main culprit at Bal- all O at den- combo at Phi- D at Mia- combo mostly D in 2011 2012: at Pitt: combo, more O than D at NE- D at Sea- O at Ten- combo, more O than D at Buf- combo 2013: at NE- O at Ten- combo but mostly O at Cin- combo at Buf- combo at Bal- mostly O at Car- combo
Meh. In both games the Jets were road teams. And as far as Pitt is concerned the Jets' history against them is one of near complete futility.
No you're right...It's a team game & the defense has had their share of problems. But for the most part they at least can make a big play or 2 & play w/ some level of toughness. The O constantly plays tight,tentative & scared away from Metlife. Turnovers, horrible OL play(Mangold is significantly worse on road),sloppy route running & the complete inability to respond to adversity
Who cares that were "flukes"...they got two trophys and at the end the day the only people who say they were flukes are people who are jealous. Their team that got crushed by the Ravens was a fluke, the Vikings were the superior team that had a history of choke jobs and they did it again at home none the less. So was it a fluke the went in and beat the Packers who looked primed to win the SB in Lambeu in freezing sub zero temps? They were the superior team in that game. In their 2nd win they dominated San Fran in San Fran. Their defense manhandled the 49ers all day. You need breaks to win the SB... i.e. "tuck rule" "blizzard" "Peyton choke jobs" "video taping the Rams" even the Saints team that beat the Colts in the SB needed what 4 ints by Favre to win the NFC title game? I never look at SB championships as flukes because you need to play great to win one. One win especially as a 6 seed could be a fluke but you're not beating 4 of the best teams in the NFL because of a fluke, twice none the less. If you wanna make the argument it was a fluke they made the playoffs, maybe but they got the breaks they needed to get there. When you get to that level wins and losses come down to breaks and good luck, we got a couple of playoff wins under Ryan thanks so some flukes i.e.; Nate Keading and Shayne Graham. Of course those don't count as flukes right?
+1000. Calling those SBs flukes without taking into account them even getting there is just revisionist history. _
The Giants - San Fran game was a fluke, Eli couldnt get his field into scoring position all game. The first turnover set up the 2nd TD, the 2nd turnover set up the game winning FG. I watched that game, at the end when it was tied 17-17 with about 5 minutes left + OT, Eli had 5 possesions to get his team into FG range, he couldnt do it on any of them. Without those turnovers on the special teams, the Giants arent score more than 10 points the whole game.
And lets be real for a second the Steelers and probably the Colts owe the Jets a huge thankyou for both their Super Bowl appearances. New England was going to the Super Bowl if the Jets didnt beat em, San Diego was going to Indianoplis and beating the Colts the next week. We knocked both of them out.....
Turnovers are part of the game, good teams capitalize off of them. And Eli threw for over 300 yards in that game and Victor Cruz pissed all over their D. Oh and lets's ignore them absolutely demolishing Atlanta and the Packers again in Lambeu to get there. They went into Lambeu and crushed the #1 seed. It's already been said but let the Jets win 1 SB by being "phony" and by "fluke" You don't win 4 and play in 5 by being "phony" and "flukey" The Steelers went through a similar era of mediocrity at the end of Knoll's career and the beginning of Cowher. Nobody except haters call them a "phony franchise"
It doesnt matter what they did before, I am talking about San Fransisco. Those 300 yards were the most overrated 300 yards in the history of football. He could not get his team into scoring position in the entire second half and OT, it was complete ineptitude. The same defense Drew Brees shredded up in the 2nd half just a week prior, Eli couldnt even get his team into FG range. Thats a fact, not my opinion, not something I dreamt up, not anything.
And not for anything but if the referees get the call right in Arizona, the Giants dont make the playoffs that season. Victor Cruz never declared himself down, he tried to get up, fumbled, game over. Mike Pierrara even said the Refs blew the call, the Giants needed the referees help just to get them into the playoffs. And I know someone is going to say "well they played great in the playoffs", it doesnt matter, it doesnt work that way, their have been many teams that have gotten hot at the end but came up short of getting into the playoffs, that should have been the same case for the Giants if it wasnt for a fatal error by the referee, which was confirmed by Mike Pierrara to be the absolute wrong call. And again this isnt my opinion, this is the facts, Mike Pierrara confirmed it, not me. So yes their entire Super Bowl campaign was a fluke because it should have never happened if things were called fairly.
And the Giants first Super Bowl run never bothered me, because there was nothing flukeish about. But 2011, the fatal mistake in Arizona, the death of Joe Philbins son, the destruction of Kyle Williams, and Welkers drop resulted in the most flukish run in NFL history.
GB did not look like they were going to win a SB in 2007 and they had the choker Favre. the Giants did not dominate SF, 2 times Eli threw balls up for grabs where SF Dbs collided or one of them would have picked them off, they did nothing on O the 2nd half/OT except clean up after multiple fumble punts by SF and at the end of regulation Ahmad Bradshaw fumbled which would have set SF in GW FG territory and they blew the call. we dominated Cincy, Graham missed some kicks but we dominated. SD missed 2 makeable FGs- very different. we weren't getting the fluky TO or the bad call go our way. congrats to the Giants, they earned it but they were not some juggernaut team. very similar to our title game teams but the breaks didn't go our way and they went NYG way.
junc, you know you would sell both of your nuts and all of the Jets' playoff wins since 1990 for those two "fluke" Super Bowl wins.
a ball stuck to a helmet in of course I would take them in a heartbeat, I don't care how we win it. I take issue w/ NYG being a model franchise here, our franchises have been very similar for a long time. they get a couple of breaks and get 2 SB wins, we get 2 title game losses. we are not talking about the 80s Giants here that were great teams.
The defenses over are far from elite. But the defense as a whole is good. I'm talking big picture. You can win with the defenses we've put on the field. I know they don't get off the field when they need to but plenty of D's do that nowadays. The offenses on the other hand always stink. I'm tired of always having a below average offense in an offensively driven league.
The D's have had chances to win many games, they tend to play better when the O's are worse but when we need them they fold.
Not arguing that but, if we had an actual offense that could put up points like other offenses do some of the defensive problems could be hidden. Our offenses are always terrible and that to me is a bigger problem. The Jets talk a big game on defense and they're definitely overrated in that aspect. But the D's aren't bad. The offenses are always bad.
