All down hill since New England Playoff game.

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  1. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    no excuse for allowing a 95 yd TD drive in the final mins against a QB that can't throw a football.

    most of that season
     
  2. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    Actually, I can remember numerous posts in which you have written precisely that. You have used the phrase "Mark LED . . . " countless times before. You have also argued many times that Mark and the passing game was the strength of the 2010 team. In fact, earlier today(!) you wrote that the 2010 offense was "led" by its passing game. ouch.

    Nice try, though. And also, nice deflection. You didn't answer the question. So, i'll ask it again, in a simpler way:

    Why does Mark get so much more credit for the Jet playoff runs in 2009 and 2010 than Tebow does for the 2011-2012 Denver playoff run?

    Except that those statistics perfectly match what my eyes told me :)

    You're not making much sense here.

    In your dreams.

    Maybe as a backup, not as a starter.
     
  3. kevmvp

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    And theres also no excuse for throwing an awful pick 6 when all you have to do is not turn the ball over and you win.

    The defense has always taken to much blame when the offense is consistently awful. Yeah they gave up a 95 yard drive to a bad QB. Hence why they're not a great defense and shouldnt be considered as one. But they still only gave up 17 points. If our QB can protect the ball against an offense that couldnt do anything all night it doesnt come down to one drive to win it all.

    That game never should have been as close as it was at the end. I'm not even asking the offense to play good. I'm simply asking them to not give up points to the other teams defense.
     
  4. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    find me the posts where I give all the credit to Mark Sanchez. good luck w/ that.

    Mark did much more than Tebow did and he didn't melt down in a postseason game.

    again, you don't understand what you are watching.

    he will be a starter next year if not sooner.

    he did an awful job w/ the INT but led the team right back down the field to retake the lead only to watch his supposed elite defense blow ANOTHER late game lead.

    the defense has never taken blame and it deserves much more than it has gotten including last week. Geno stunk but the D was as bad.
     
  5. Jetsfansince95

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    When the D plays 40 minutes a game it starts adding up
     
  6. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    that has been proven false so many times, that is a poor excuse.
     
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    Our secondary doesn't help much neither lol
     
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    A full D can hide some flaws on offense problem is we have half a defense
     
  9. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    for example in that Denver game our O had the ball 32:12, D was on field for 27:48
     
  10. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    First of all, I never wrote that you explicitly gave Mark all of the credit, what I alluded to was that you have argued forever that Mark was a major reason for our success. You have used phrases such "led us . . ." for years now. You can pretend otherwise, but to do so, would be to only further diminish your already severely damaged credibility on the subject.

    I still can't quite figure out whether you are hopelessly delusional or just purposefully full of inordinate amounts of CACA when it comes to Mark, but, in accordance with my earlier point, these are just from this thread, written today (!!!):

    I mean, junc, give it up. You look ridiculous.



    To be fair, Tebow did throw for three touchdown passes and the game-winning TD in overtime the week before to win a wildcard playoff game. Very balanced analysis there, Junc.

    But again, the crappy QB play that I observed is actually backed up by, you know, statist . . . .er, I mean fantasy numbers that indicate the QB play was, in point of fact, crappy. Maybe you don't know what you are watching?

    It's possible. But, then again, Kyle Orton is a starting quarterback in the NFL right now, so that isn't saying much. IF he gets a chance, we'll see how he actually plays.[/quote]
     
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  11. nyjunc

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    Mark was vital to our success, that doesn't mean he w most important or 2nd most but he was absolutely vital to those runs

    the pass O in 2010 led the offense, there is no doubt about it. look a our wins:

    vs. NE- pass O, Mark throws 3 TDs(Holmes out)
    at Miami- pass O Mark throws 3 TDs(Holmes was out and Braylon missed 1st qtr)
    at Buf- we did whatever we anted through the air and on the ground but I will give he edge to rush O.
    Min- in a monsoon we didn't turn it over w/ 44 pass attempts. pass O.
    at Den- pass O, 4th down play scrambles and throws deep to holmes who was interfered with. saves game.
    at Det- pass O. 74 yd TD to end half, leads us back fro down 10 w/ 4 mins left.
    at Cle- pass O
    Hou- pass O, one of the mot amazing GW drives in Jets history.
    Cin- STs, rush O
    at Pitt- Pass O. as spectacular this huge game even though #s don't show it.
    Playoffs:
    at Indy- rush O
    at NE- pass O
    at Pitt- pas O got us back in game when we couldn't run.

    Tebow trough short pass to Thomas who took it 80 yds.

    but it's not b/c you don't know what you are watching and just lame the QB for everything that goes wrong.

    he will get a chance, he is a million times better than Orton.
     
  12. slimjasi

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    We've been over all of this countless times before. When it comes to Mark, you see things others don't. You take that as a compliment, I tend to think it means you are deluding yourself.
     
  13. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    counter it, don't just takes shots at me.

    I do see the game very differently than the average fan. Thank you.
     
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    He led the team down the field for a 45 yard FG and 13 points overall. That's not good enough.

    The D over the years is nowhere close to as bad as the offense consistently is, thats the point i'm trying to make. You can win with those defenses. You can't win with those offenses.
     
  15. slimjasi

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    This is such a moronic response. I'd love to see how you would characterize it if Sanchez was the guy who threw it.
     
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  16. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    gave the D a late lead, the D failed to hold that lead.

    compelling argument as usual.
     
  17. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    I've countered all of this 2010 nonsense before. You have already embarrassed yourself by claiming that you hand't written things about Mark that you clearly had . . . some of it in this thread, no less. It's silly now.
     
  18. kevmvp

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    Goes both ways junc. The D gave him breathing room to work with and he gave that away. The game never should have been as close as it was.
     
  19. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    if you have you have done poorly.

    what did I claim I hadn't written that I clearly had? anything else you want to make up to deflect from your lack of knowledge?

    never said the O was great but they handed a late lead to our D against a QB that can't throw a football and they allowed that QB to lead his O 95 yds for GW TD.
     
  20. kevmvp

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    And the offense handed that same team with that same QB 7 free points.
     

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