ledger, you're saying "probably have one more shot at being starters" while I was quoting a source that had an NFL head coach (supposedly) unequivocably stating that Mark would in fact be the starting QB "the moment he walked in the door." Further, trading a 6th round pick (Oakland) and waiting 3 months (Houston) to name your starter is hardly burning your bridges, or painting yourself into a corner, or however you'd want to phrase it. While I would agree that of the three Mark has the most "book still open" quality going for him. However, along with that, it just seems to me that if a coach was that much enamored with Mark to declare him the starter the moment he showed up, that he could've had him. Think a GM wouldn't have delivered Sanchez to that coach on a silver platter hours after being released by the Jets (instead of a full week)?
We are all going around in circles about this for nothing. Just because a HC said Mark would be starting "the moment he walked in the door" that doesn't mean said coach is "enamored" with him. The statement to me said more about the status of his QB situation at the time. Think about it, if you have a QB room where it looks to you that Mark Sanchez would be not even be "competing" but "[starting]…the moment he walked in the door" doesn't that also mean that a lot of other QBs of similar or better talent/resume (i.e., Schaub, Fitzpatrick, Orton…etc.) would do the same? So had Mark been available when those same players were available just maybe the ever so little amount of "book still open" quality that still remains and/or his above average playoff performances gives him the edge at one of those jobs. Since he was not available, they took what was there. The GMs don't know what Junc knows so they didn't think they were losing much. I swear the polarity of Sanchez somehow makes smart people lose all kinds of common sense. *Edited: Let me add that if not for the fear of the hostility of Jets fans, Mark Sanchez would be starting be starting for us too given our situation. And who knows maybe near the end of the season, that hostility could end up getting flipped on it's head.
I think you are off your rocker. Sanchez is nothing more than a backup at this point, and will be for the foreseeable future. Ryan Fitzpatrick has had a better career than him.
you can't call someone off their rocker then say Ryan Fitzpatrick has had a better career than Mark Sanchez.
nothing except set the franchise record for playoff wins for a starting QB, nothing except help us get closer to a SB than at any point since SB III but yeah outside of that he did nothing. he didn't have a great fantasy stat line which fans love so much.
I tell you what if you clear the Sanchez man juice off of your eyes, and were an objective NFL fan, no one in their right mind would say that Sanchez is better than Fitzpatrick. The guy didnt do anything in 4 years in the league. This was debated in Houston, if the jets should swap Schaub for Sanchez, and although not scientific i remember every caller saying he was the worst starting qb in the nfl for 2011 & 2012. The guy couldn't hack it, get over it.
haha. Yes, it's all relative (Sanchez vis-a-vis Schaub, Fitz, etc.) and point taken about that coach's "QB status." I was also addressing a contention made in this thread that Mark would've been a starting QB had the coast been cleared earlier (i.e. Mark released before March 21). As for the 'common sense' (say wha'?) and 'hostility', you're reading too much into it, esp. the supposed hostility (in this case). Edit: the Texans got rid of Schaub yet waited 3 months to tab Fitz as the starter. Imho, Fitz is not a better QB than Sanchez imho fwiw..
I should have put the common sense comment in a post on it's own as it was really wasn't meant for you. But make no mistake about it there is something up with Mark Sanchez that makes it very difficult for the opposite sides to meet in the middle. Maybe it's not hostility but it's something. I experience it even with non-Jets fans too. Sanchez came up somehow in a football conversation I had with a Bills fan, I literally had to ask him why he was getting so riled up about a guy that didn't even play for his team. He was more upset about Sanchez's play than I, the Jets fan.
I'd take Sanchez over Schaub or Fitzpatrick in a heartbeat. Which is like saying I think he's the taller midget. But still.
I keep going back to that Giants game in 2011...as soon as Victor Cruz eluded Cromartie to go 99 yards on a TD to beat the Jets and put Rex Ryan in his place...the team has been bad every since.....
That's fair to say, im surprised more people haven't said this. That was the worst Christmas present ever.
there isn't a GM in the league who would take Fitz over Sanchez. average fans who don't watch just look at #s, they see the buttfumble and how bad he was in 2012 w/ Chaz Schilens starting but those that watch, understand and can dig deeper understand what happened here and how good he can be and how good he was. that play changed that game and the seasons for both teams. If that play doesn't happen we likely win that game and go to the playoffs while NYG wouldn't have made it and Coughlin and Eli would likely be gone by now.
That game and the loss to N.E. in December 2001 were major Jets setbacks/huge wins for the opponents.
I can't separate a lot of the games from 2011. The Denver game, the Baltimore game, and that Giants horseshit all stand out.
I do think the Giants game was a flashpoint, we were 8-6 at the time and still would have made the playoffs with two straight wins but we were an embarassment on and off the field and the Giants' subsequent SB run rubbed more mud into the wound and helped lead to Tebowgate. This season, it's amazing how things looked when we were 1-0 and up 21-3 at Green Bay and where we're at now.
