Corcumstance has no place in the equation then? Is that what you are saying. I never said that Idzik's plan is absolute up until this point. I don't believe he wanted to have these holes in this roster either but you have to look beyond that. The circumstances that were involved are obviously a factor, those circumstances are not completely made known to us either. What we do know is that he made moves surrounding our holes on this roster with anticipation that those moves had a good probability of success. That hasn't panned out in fruition yet. Oline, he brought in a solid RT because that was the biggest concern. Winters was being viewed as a quality starter with room to develop. WR - We drafted 3, none of them exactly panned out but there was potential there. Evans was probably the best option of the three to have the best chance to contribute for us. He went to IR. We picked up the top WR in f/a on a great deal. RB - This team is supposed to be built to run. We already had two quality backs on the roster and then Idzik picked up Johnson. On paper that looked like a great move. TE - We drafted the 1b TE in this years draft. A kid who broke all sorts of records in college. To go along with Cumberland who the coaching staff were already high on. QB - Mike Vick was brought in to help develop Geno. I still don't think Idzik could've got a better backup for this team. Safety - We drafted the best safety in this past draft. IMO I truly believe Pryor is going to eventually be a stud for our defense. CB - We drafted McDougle who this team was extremely high on. He went to IR. Brought in Patterson, a guy that was viewed as a stop gap signing for this year. That fell apart. Injuries mounted In a extreme way. I mean everyone acts like Idzik has just sit on his hands. He's made a lot of moves and circumstance has crippled almost every play he's made. We have a good amount of flexibility going into next year because he wisely opted to not overpay for mediocre talent in f/a. Who did we miss out on in f/a that is making a huge difference for their new team now? Without overpaying for their services? I looked around for an hour and didn't see what could've been done differently without overpaying. There is more holes because of circumstance not because he hasn't done anything to try to remedy those weaker positions.
when he drafts players that actually make the team and make an impact let me know. so far 4 players added via draft and fa is not great. that plan he has hinges on the draft and he has failed miserably on that part. I agree you cant fix everything in one yr. but you could have added another receiver to help a young qb someone anyone better then nelson and salas for starters. if they made a run at jackson or signed tate or nelson then this yr becomes more forgivable because he made some attmept. but the the gm did squat and the coach and fans have to pay for it. I would cut bait on the gm before the coach for the simple fact the coach has taken this team to afce twice while the gm has regressed this team in the two yrs he has been here. the entire idea of his plan hinges on improvement every year. what improvement have they had. Another receiver they might have won 2 or 3 more games and build confidence in a young qb. But instead they killed the qb and sucked the life out of the fans great move what next bring your own bag to the game because you embarrass the crap out of fans?
Why go after DRC at all if he didn't really want him? You Idzik supporters in effect say "What did he do? Brilliant!" No matter what it is.
It's ok for people to vent. Losing sucks and one of the results of that is that a lot of people will vent. The Jets do have to start figuring things out though. They don't have 2-14 talent on this team. If they wind up losing double digit games it's going to be a real reason to look at the coaching staff. If the draft picks don't develop, well that's on the coaching staff and on the talent evaluation team. Jets draft picks since 2008: Vernon Gholston, Dustin Keller, Dwight Lowery, Erik Ainge, Marcus Henry, Nate Garner, Mark Sanchez, Shonn Greene, Matt Slauson, Kyle Wilson, Vladimir Ducasse, Joe McKnight, John Conner, Muhammad Wilkerson, Kenrick Ellis, Bilal Powell, Jeremy Kerley, Greg McElroy, Scotty McKnight, Quinton Coples, Stephen Hill, DeMario Davis, Josh Bush, Terrance Ganaway, Robert T. Griffin, Antonio Allen, Jordan White, Dee Milliner, Sheldon Richardson, Geno Smith, Brian Winters, Oday Aboushi, William Campbell, Tommy Bohanon, 2014 class too early to tell. The impact players are bolded. 6 years and 2 impact players out of the draft will sink any franchise. Both the impact players are defensive linemen which is Rex's area of expertise.
the right tackle was a lateral move to save money at best lateral you wasted three picks trying to find a receiver when you could have drafted olineman and developed them and signed a young receiver to go with decker to help a young qb cant run with outlinemen see above Te one item on theteam that may improve but a young te that has issues running routes but showed up yesterday do it a few more times before that is considered a fix qb did nothing to help develop a young qb safety ruined allen for the yr playing around with his position because they could not get a db. Pryor again a young player that may develop has had good moments but also bad moments. At best jury is still out but passed on Cooks and other players that could have helped a young qb idzick has sat on his hands when he had a chance to make a move for a younger player unexpectedly available case in point jackson, tate, myles sanders or flowers players in their twenties, they could have been signed to help areas of need for now and the next 4 yrs. if you over pay by 1 million dollars you need to, you want younger players with upside. You don not sign older players with limited growth but players in their mid to late 20s that can produce enough to get you over the hump in areas of need and bring along the young players. He has not done that. Don't act like idzick needs tim,e he purposely left this team with wholes either by negligence or stupidity either way I named some players get one of them and you may win some more games. This has regressed by injury poor drafts and limited free agency moves when he should have been more active getting players. You want another year of this watch what happens next year this team is more then likely to regress even more and then the argument will be well it is the first yr for his coach or the injury from last yr limited his growth or it is a new qb and system. You play two win every game every year you need to put the best product out there every year using all your resources correctly and idzick did not use all the resources and left the team the coaches and fans left to hang and suffer through this awful mess. To do what watch another two yrs of young qb play because instead of drafting a stud receiver or olineman next yr we need a qb again? This conversation if idzick could draft players or signed one more wide receiver to help a young qb. Now instead we have more wholes then when he started.
it is on the scouts and the people running the draft over all. it is on the staff to put players into position to succeed you cant coach up crappy draft picks or the 4 players cut from this yrs draft
People are so freakin clueless,what are we building exactly?a garbage dump to put football players in?Enough with this rebuilding bullshit
I totally agree that we don't have 2-14 talent on this team but disagree that it's all on the CS. The Jets this year are a case study on how a team can add more talent to a roster and end up being essentially the same or a worse team in the process by adding to areas of strength and not addressing areas of weakness.
players from the draft have been injured and there was no way that 12 draft picks were going to make the team. that would of been 23% of the team being rookies, which is just dumb. he made an effort by going out and signing the consensus #1 WR in FA at a decent deal and didn't see dimitri patterson being crazy. he deserves another year
Imo Brad is dumping on the CS because he expects Woody to retain Idzik and allow him to can Ryan. I don't think he really believes the FO has no real hand in this team being 1-5.
Didn't Rappaport say the opposite about Rex being retained? Here are the tweets below on the situation. I've bolded the interesting points here. Looks like Woody gave Idzik the power and not spending the $20 million was his idea. I agree with not spending all $20 million as that wouldnt have been smart. But if you replace Dimitri Patterson and Chris Johnson with Emmanuel Sanders and Branden Flowers you are netting to around the same remaining cap space. I think that the Jets should start fresh all together but if anyone deserves to stay its Rex Ryan not John Idzik. But cant keep starting over with one and not the other. Clean house.
1. Jesus. Are you bitching about Milliner? Worst pick in franchise history? Are you smoking something? I recalled some guy named Ghost was laughing all the way to the bank while posting up ZERO sacks for THREE years of production. Milliner is of same stratosphere as THAT, right? 2. Sheldon Richardson is a slight upgrade over Mike DeVito: It's official now, folks. Human stupidity knows no bounds. 3. Remember how Seattle rose into relevancy before Carroll tagged along. Look how Cowboys offense is performing. The common factor is, it took them good 2+ drafts invested highly in the OL. [In case of Seattle, Hutchinson bolted for Minnesota so that took a hit but that aside.] Jets should draft the OL highly in the next two years. I know it isn't sexy - but if Seattle can compete with the likes of Matt Hasselbeck at QB, so can nearly anybody. Jets do have some solid pieces in the offensive side, like Chris Ivory, Eric Decker and Jeremy Kerley. This HAS to be on top of their list come off-season. It all starts with the OL production. 4. To give you guys a breakdown, this is what the Jets situation was like: a. Jets talent level was thoroughly depleted on both sides of the ball. b. AND somehow Jets were in cap hell. Getting out of cap hell without spiking a year is in itself an achievement. [Last year's 8-8, I am talking about.] Just, you cannot compete in Kentucky Derby on a fucking donkey. [Hence 1-5.] Luck struck the Jets last year - but don't expect the same luck to strike again. Lightning never strikes the same spot twice, remember that. Drafts have been rather frustrating to a degree - that I can agree - but then, this team was depleted on the talent level, and it will take years to restock the talents. Maybe Rex had a say in it - I don't know. What I know is, both of the symptoms were the legacy of T-Bomb.
It does suck to be 1-5 and seemingly out of the playoff race less than half way through the year. But I do want to give Idzik his full three years to show what his plan is. Rebuilding in NY is tough because the fans arent patient enough to sit through it, and the media wont let them. I mean the Giants were made to look like a bunch of girls last night, and all the media is talking about is Rex propping up last years draft class in a press conference. I will never understand why the media and fans go so nuts at what a coach says during an interview, but that isnt here nor there. Right now, I think the Jets are a better team than they were last year. Or at least a more talented squad. Last year Jets got some good luck, this year they're getting the opposite. I mean as mediocre-to-below average as he still looks, Geno's numbers are almost all up from last year. - The receivers are better. - The RB corps is at least as good as last year. - Front 7 is probably better. Harris isnt playing as well, but Davis has definitely stepped up. Plus they're leading the league in sacks. And we know they arent coverage sacks lol. - Secondary has regressed. Injuries and AWOL free agents have completely derailed this unit. Lack of depth has really hurt as well.* - OL is getting worse. Brick and Mangold can still hold their own, but Winters and Colon have been very bad. Hopefully Abushi can step up. *The Jets are currently giving up 235 passing yards per game. Not bad, but extremely average. 21st in opposing completion %. Bad to be sure, but not worst in the NFL, like the media would lead you to believe. So, not every aspect of the secondary is totally awful. 1 interception is a real problem. I dont know how the stat is computed, but that must play a roll in why we lead the league in passer rating against. And again, I dont have access to the crazy stats, but with such a good run defense, I'd imagine that increases the amount of TD's thrown against us. If teams wont try to run it in, they will throw it in. Keep in mind, these numbers are against some of the most proficient passing attacks in the game. Logic would dictate that the numbers would improve in these areas as we play worse offenses. I dont want to be misunderstood. I dont think this is a good secondary by any stretch. There is a real lack of depth due to Milliner's and McDougle's injuries. And who knows if you can rely on Milliner at all anymore. It definitely needs to be addressed this year in the draft or via FA. My point is that the prevailing opinion is that the Jets have the worst secondary in the history of game. When in reality they have an average secondary who happened to run into Rodgers/Cutler/Stafford/Rivers/Manning/Brady all in a row.
Good point here. I agree with the FO's overall plan, and think they did a great job of getting us out of cap hell. Not to mention putting us in a great spot for next season, to re-sign/extend our core players and to bring in a couple of top tier FAs. But, I haven't seen much from their ability to recognize talent. Having cap room is well and good, but I question this FO's ability to spend it on the right players. I'm glad the FO put us in a position to restock, but they haven't done much to show that they're capable of doing so properly.
In fact some key metrics on Smith have gotten worse this year. ypa imo is a key metric for Qb assessment. Right now he's down from 6.88 last year to 5.96 this year. That is the worst number for any starting Qb, as well as worse than most backups. It is an indication that the CS has him making short throws to keep down the risk of interceptions. His Qb rating is marginally up, but so is everyone's, and he's still got the worst Qb rating of any starting Qb. His completion percentage is also marginally up, but as noted this goes into the mix along with that lower ypa number. add in that his rushing ypa is down from 5.1 to 3.8. No, I think your bolded statement is incorrect.
Keep in mind Evans/Dozier/McDougle/IK/Enunwa are still on the roster and part of our draft. That is almost half of our draft. They havent gotten a chance to play yet, due to them being rookies. If even two of those guys can contribute, than this draft is looking OK.
Part of getting the cap in a better place was getting rid of Sanchez. While I was for that, seeing as how he'd lived out his welcome in NY, they have hardly improved the Qb situation. Another move was trading Revis. Here it is even more clear they have not replaced him, and now the drafting of a Cb to replace Revis has blown up in their faces. Another move was cutting Cromartie, which they did without trying to sign him to a different deal, intead signing Patterson. It's no big deal to get more cap space if that alone is the objective. A bigger deal is getting more cap space without hurting the roster significantly. I don't think the FO has done such a great job in that regard.
We got into this same discussion last week and nothing was resolved. We were evaluating with different numbers and thats fine. He's turning the ball over less and thats what the Jets needed from him. I dont believe he regressed at all, I think your incorrect. I think he is still a below average QB, but not hurting the team any more than he did last year. But that is a relatively small portion of my post. There is no point in having this same discussion again. The point was that I believe this is a better team than last year, and that Idzik should get his last year to see if he can continue to improve it.
