I dunno guys. I'm just asking the question. From what my lying eyes have shown me so far, Idzik is another cap guy masquerading as a personnel guru. He's what? 1-19 on impact draft picks? He drafted a guy that had 5 operations BEFORE coming into the league and has already spent major time on the injured list. His FA's you have Decker and Ivory balanced out by Patterson and Goodson so his FA's are a wash. The team has taken a major step backwards but the cap hole has been fixed. As a cap guy, Idzik so far is top notch. As a new GM, he's certainly not making anyone feel good about the direction of the team after 2 years. So, some of you have tried to point out Idzik's personnel credentials. I'd be curious if any of you would care to list them here for us to read? Is John Idzik a Cap Guy or a Personnel Guy? He seems to be out of his lane right now but only time will tell.
Idzik has as much of a football background as Rex does. He also has a business background. He's being typecast because he was Seattle's cap guy. But he was a player, a coach etc.
Damn Dom,that's almost 20 years ago. You have anything a bit more recent to offer up? What did he do in 'Zona with the Cards?
senior director of football operations from 2004-2007 with Arizona vice president of football administrations from 2007-2012 with Seattle he played football at dartmouth. was an assistant coach as duke. was a receivers coach at State University of NY and a RBs coach for the Aberdeen Oilers. His dad coached and was an OC for the Jets. It's absurd when people just assume he's a cap guy, not every pick will pan out
SUNY Buffalo's WR Coach from 1982-1990 Aberdeen Oilers backfield coach for the 1990-1991 Season Duke University Assistant Graduate Coach from 1991-1992 He worked in Pro Personnel with Tampa from 1993-2004. Won a SB there I believe. Senior director of the Cardinals from 2004 to 2007 (that was before their SB appearance correct?) Although they could still be using his scouted players. Vice President of football Administration for Seattle from 2007-2012. Made the SB after he was gone. He was there for the thick of their rebuild though. As far as credentials for a relative no name, Jets could have done a lot worse. He may have done nothing to do with it, but the last 3 teams he was with either made a superbowl appearance during his tenure or shortly thereafter. We should either demote him to assistant(lol), or give him a bit more time as GM.
Impressive resume. He'll get more time for sure as we know Woody won't fire the guy he just hired. Would be really hard to replace him if that happened wouldn't it.
i'd put the chances of idzik getting fired at 0%. the hatred for him is all coming from the media that ALWAYS wants to create controversy
The funniest thing was watching the ESPN dumbasses call him a cap master with zero football knowledge. They have zero football knowledge.
When they interview people who know Idzik and who've worked with him they have good things to say about him character wise and football wise. Rod Graves was the GM of the Cardinals when they went to the Super Bowl and was Idzik's boss at Arizona is an experienced personnel guy and now he works under Idzik in the Jets front office. I think Woody did due diligence on him even if Idzik wasn't his first choice. If as rumored David Caldwell was, well he's not doing so great with the Jags. Rex has his cadrie of fans in the media like MM who is a silly guy and instead of reporting wants to create stories and make issues out of bullshit like for example this non issue of Geno criticizing the press. The guy said almost nothing and he makes a big fucking deal about it.
I don't understand why he's being typecast the way he is. Well I know why but I dont get it. Idzik has a legit football background. He was a receivers coach at Buffalo He was the Offensive Backfield Coach for the Aberdeen Oilers He was with the Bucs for 11 years serving roles as a Pro Personal Assistant, Director of Football Administration, and Assistant General Manager He was with the Cardinals for 3 years serving as the Senior Director of Football Operations The he was the Vice President of Football Administration for the Seahawks for 5 years. Now he's a General Manager. There is a great amount of football background in there. Just go on Wikipedia like I did to look it all up. It seems like the guy is penalized by people like Francesa, Cimini, and Mehta for going to an Ivy League School. They think he's just a business guy, or just want to give off that impression to everyone so they can continue to wage their war against the Jets.
To be fair to both sides Idzik is largely being blasted because his "personnel" decisions (yes only 2 years) have been poor. He owns Geno as his "franchise QB" selection. He owns what looks like not very many hits on the 2013 12 picks He owns the 2014 NY Jet CB and WR positions, He owns not addressing the above with $21m unspent (didn't want to overpay). He owns a rather curious attempt to close the deal with DRC. So when the franchise appears to be imploding it is hard to point with encouragement to Idzik's body of work. I don't buy that he didn't get to pick his coach because I think that the personnel is weak and that we'd suck this year with just about any other new coach as well.
Those are fair criticisms. But people make it seem like Woody Johnson pulled this guy out of KPMG to come run the Jets. Thats the problem I have with the Idzik bashing.
Wow, man, couldn't disagree with you more. As people already mentioned in the thread, he's not just a cap guy. He's got about as much of a football background as you can reasonably expect. He's already 2-19 on impact picks, because Amaro is looking really good, and I am guessing at least a few more picks will go on to become solid starters, if not impact players, like Bohannon, Aboushi, Dozier, Pryor (maybe at SS), and IK/Reilly. If just 2-3 of those guys become starters for us down the line, then those 2 drafts are about the league average. I wasn't crazy about the Milliner pick, but hey, those things happen. The great Belichick drafted a DE in the first round this year who had 2 major knee operations in college. I mean at least Milliner didn't miss much time in college, and shoulder problems aren't usually as devastating as knee surgeries. Don't understand what you mean by Patterson and Goodson balancing out Decker and Ivory. We paid those 2 guys next to nothing without any kind of commitment, so if they don't pan out, they are gone, without really hurting the team in any way. Patterson's absence only hurt because a lot of other things happened at the same time (Milliner injured, McDougle injured, brutal schedule for the secondary), otherwise it was a low risk move. Getting 2 really good young players like Decker and Ivory on the other hand, and paying them really good deals, that's awesome. That's the beauty of Idzik's approach, he only spends serious money on really good players, so if guys like CJ or Patterson or Vick don't work out, the team doesn't lose anything by it long term, as opposed to Tanenbaum who would lock us into these terrible contracts. Also disagree about the team taking a major step backward. We have not regressed in any way. If last year's team had this year's early schedule, and didn't get the lucky stuff we got last year, but instead got the kind of ref treatment and luck we've had so far in 2014, it would've been even worse. Same goes for the 2012 team. We've instead improved our cap situation tremendously, which puts us into position to add some real quality talent going forward, and added some nice young pieces like Richardson, Amaro, Decker, Ivory, Bohannon, etc while freeing ourselves of onerous contracts to Sanchez, Holmes, Harris, and some other dudes.
