The coddling of Geno Smith

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  1. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

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    ... who wouldn't?

    That kid knows how to work the pocket.
     
  2. RubenDias

    RubenDias Well-Known Member

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    If he was not afraid he could run like those guys imo he just runs scared.
     
  3. 74

    74 Well-Known Member

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    He really couldn't. He's not as fast or agile.
     
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    Why is every Jet QB coddled?
     
  5. BakerMaker

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    The only flaw in the completion percentage are the amount of drops our targets had, especially last game that hurt his completion percentage. It won't be a ridiculously high completion percentage but I would imagine you at least cut half the drops he has seen his targets give him(Every QB has targets who drop balls) and I imagine its well over 60%.
     
  6. JetsVilma28

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    I don't know if "coddled" should be the word?

    I think it's more like "thrown into a 'pocket' of zero protection, while being handcuffed from running and making your own decisions as well".
     
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  7. JStokes

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    That's a crock of shit and you know it. Every QB in the league has drops, your completion percentage is your completion percentage. Geno has at least 3 dropped INTs, are you counting those or conveniently discounting them? And some of his drops were catchable but not great throws. Admittedly he's had a couple of can of corn drops, but that goes for every QB every game.

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  8. JetLifeLo

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    I think he's starting to feel like a robot again
     
  9. Pocket Jet

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    BRAVO
     
  10. displacedfan

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    I don't know why the deep shots have gone down this year. Last year, they were a major part of the Jets offense for better or worse.

    Yesterday was all dinking and dunking with 43 throws. I don't remember a single shot down the field. Is Geno being coached out of it? We know he can throw t deep because we saw it last year. Is there no separation? Is Geno over cautious? Protection failing on those plays? Is he not keeping his eyes down the field?

    Who knows, could be a whole assortment of things
     
  11. Jetsfansince95

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    Well we got rid of our all pro deep threat Stephen Hill
     
  12. Section 336

    Section 336 Well-Known Member

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    1) Hard to extend plays with your legs when the rush is coming hard and fast from ALL directions.
    2) You cannot scramble or improvise to find a big open receiver when the receivers are rarely if ever open (This has been a Jets problem for a while now)
    3) You cannot throw up a 40 yarder with no time
    4) We should be running this more -- I agree

    I am not a Geno supporter, but this team sucks. I mean this TEAM sucks balls. Anyone who was encouraged by the misleading record last year got their hopes up mistakenly, We were lucky as hell last year to have that record -- and I don't credit Rex for it either.

    QB is a big issue for this team, but so are Special Teams, Coaching, Wide Receiver, O Line, Linebackers and Secondary
     
  13. Cromartie's_kid

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    He doesn't throw it away, he takes a sack or runs out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage.
     
  14. pclfan

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    Based on observing the guy since draft day I think if he read this thread (and he won't) he'd say we don't know shit. As for coddling to me that isn't scaling back the offense for an inexperienced qb it's no competition and handing the guy a job and never taking him out of a game no matter how bad. Like what they did with Mark Sanchez. But in Mark's case as soon as they opened up things for him he couldn't handle it. When they ran the ground and pound he functioned better but as soon as they opened up the passing game he imploded. So to me going with a game manager who doesn't turn the ball over but can move the chains is ok. So far Geno hasn't done it.
     
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  15. CaneJet

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    It's been six seasons, two quarterbacks, three offensive coordinators all overseeing the same subpar performances on offense. The common element is the head coach. There's just something toxic to offenses in Rex's ways. It's the only explanation left.
     
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  16. BakerMaker

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    Did you read what I said in that post? Of course every QB has drops but not all QBs have games like this past Sunday where there were countless drop after drop.

    Geno's had dropped TDs(Salas) or negated ones(Timeout screwed the TD to Kerley) too so of course they're discounted. That's what evens that all out.

    The completion percentage should at the very least be up over 60%, you can't fault Geno for the drops and you're doing that by neglecting to count the drops(And there's been quite a bit). Its a misleading stat, that's all my post brought about. There's plenty of stats to prove your point, this is not one of them.
     
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    The San Diego game screwed up his completion percentage for the season. He was at 60 through the first 5 games.
     
  18. JStokes

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    I read what you wrote and you're still wrong. EVERY QB has had a game where WRs have dropped 5 balls. Every single one. So if you're going to give Geno imagined catches you need to give them to EVERY other QB in the league--so now Geno is over 60% but every other QB is now over 70%.

    And every QB has dropped TDs.

    And the time out throw to Kerley never was and never will be a TD. That's like giving QBs TDs because the receiver SHOULD HAVE gotten his foot down in the endzone.

    You want to give Geno extra credit, or discount plays that happened to every other QB every week in the history of the NFL.

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  19. JStokes

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    Do you not count it?

    And he only threw TWELVE passes! Take out that game and he's still under 59%.

    By that logic, if you discount his 4 game slide last year he was a 65% passer.

    They all count.

    Unless you're like Baker and you want to give him credit for drops and imagined TDs (but not the dropped INTs).

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  20. BakerMaker

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    Shit secondary or not, I hardly see an opposing QB this year vs the Jets that has been screwed over by countless drop after drop. That's just not true.

    And the dropped INTs never was and never will be a INT. All QBs get away with INTs. Peyton Manning doesn't go on record with an INT this past game, no matter how easy of a catch that is for Kyle Wilson to make. Antonio Allen dropped an easy gimmie heave by Jay Cutler.

    The completion percentage being so low is not all on Geno, that's my major point out of all of this and why I quoted you. I don't know how you hold it all on Smith for the low completion percentage.
     

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