The coddling of Geno Smith

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  1. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    It all counts. And it goes both ways. He had a few almost INT's (every QB's does) and he had drops by the receivers. You can't point out one without acknowledging the other.

    Geno didn't play the whole game and who knows how the second half plays out.
     
  2. JStokes

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    That's because you're a Geno fan wearing green colored glasses about Geno. You also only see the calls that go against us or don't go for us, but never the ones that screw the other team. I watch with my eyes open.

    Nobody said it was all on Geno--no QB in the league does anything by himself--good or bad.

    But Geno's 57% completion rate is 57%.

    You want to give him extra credit for what you perceive to be the faults of others, and if that's the case, you have to give extra credit to every other QB in the history of the NFL.

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  3. JStokes

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    How do you think that would have played out? Honestly?

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  4. Big Blocker

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    The Smith apologists are laughable. They go to ridiculous extents (different for each of them, but all ridiculous, hence the plural) to defend him. Logic is the first fatality, but I suppose in the Apologists for Smith Club, loss of logic is merely acceptable collateral damage.
     
  5. BakerMaker

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    Here we go with the Geno homer bullshit. I joined this site while Geno Smith was in high school lol. People who disagree with you are not homers just because they have a different opinion and just wanted to explain a stat used in this thread.

    I watch with my eyes open too, and I see a team that's been bad not because of any one player but because as a team they've been collectively bad. My posts in these Geno threads usually revolves around this notion, I have never once excused Geno's overall play or a vast majority his turnovers but I see the Geno bashing go to a certain extreme on this site that ranges from someone calling him a "Rural Thug" to being claiming we're a QB away from being a good to very good team despite clear OLine deficiencies at the guard positions and our targets being mediocre at separation and making plays especially when Decker is hurt. The team just sucks right now, its not just Geno and that's why my posts become "defending" Geno Smith, because I don't like the fact he's becoming some sort of a scapegoat for some posters on here to turn their frustration towards. It in turn lets guys like Mehta bicker someone like Geno with question after question and take and run with someone showing any kind of pulse back to feed into the frustrated fans.

    I want the whole team to be held accountable for and all I saw at one point is just Geno, Idzik, Rex and the Secondary take all the blame. It took weeks for people to finally see the poor play of our offensive line for example.

    My point about the 57% is he hasn't been helped out much by his targets in that stat category so I think it is a bit unfair to hold that against him. INTs? Sure. But Completion percentage with the targets' follies this year? Not all on Geno in this stat.
     
  6. BakerMaker

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    Yup I'm an "Geno Apologist" despite being on this site before you and while Geno was in High School. Oh I am so totally here because of Geno Smith and not because of the Jets. Why do you tarnish your posts with this petty nonsense? Why?

    Countless times, I have blamed Geno for the turnovers. He's apart of the problem, he's not THE problem which is my point and has been my point for weeks.
     
  7. BakerMaker

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    With Decker being out the whole game and Nelson being gimped? Not good for any QB. Its Kerley, Amaro, Cumberland, Salas and a guy we signed off the streets less than a week before the game(Graham). Nevermind the OLine play that game was pitiful. Its why I don't hold it against Vick, ready or not he wasn't doing shit that 2nd half. Nor would have Geno. The Bolts were winning the battle of the trenches easily.

    That was just a pitiful roster full of talent on the offense. I like Kerley, Amaro and Salas but that's about it.
     
  8. rsmehta

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    As I mentioned, We aren't the only team in the league with Oline problems.

    Our Oline isn't ranked 32, and probably isn't even ranked in the bottom 1/3 of the league.

    However, somehow, every other QB with a sub-par Oline seems to be able to make plays despite being hurried all the time.
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    No one is asking him to throw 40 yds every time, I don't think we avg even one bomb a game on our side of the field for a quick score. These are the same 40+ yd bombs that every one of our opponent successfully throws on us every game this year, and has been the difference maker, in each of those games.
     
  9. rsmehta

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    Same with virtually every rookie in the NFL.

    People learn from mistakes and improve. Giving your second year quarterback shackles at the start of the season is the dumbest thing to do, and will absolutely halt any further development.
     
  10. rsmehta

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    As a comparison, look at Schotty developing Austin Davis,

    He was undrafted in 2012, and a 3rd string QB to start the season. He already looks 100 times more comfortable and confident than Geno.

    And they just as bad of an O-line in pass protection, and just as many scrub WR's.
     
  11. Big Blocker

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    You became a Smith Apologist when that became what you did. I never said you were when you were in grade school.
     
  12. BakerMaker

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    Why do people who have different opinions than you are "Geno Apologists" or "Idzik Apologists"? Both are 2nd year Jets, why are people who show a little patience with the two suddenly "Apologists" are "Find excuses"?
     
  13. JStokes

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    So, you want to give him extra credit for negative stuff that happened to every other QB in the history of the NFL.

    That's fine.

    That's not how I look at football.

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  14. JetsFan

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    OMG, MM has had to taper his offense down so much and still it is over Smith's head. If Smith could run the offense or even a friggin defense it would be better, but Geno is a turd. You can only polish a turd so much and in the end it is still a turb.
     
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    He's not a rookie but he keeps playing like one.
     
  16. Big Blocker

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    The truth hurts sometimes.

    It is not your having a different opinion than me that makes you an apologist. It is your apologies, your excuses, your illogical attempts to minimize their issues and problems by defending them with implausible arguments, that make you an apologist, not your having a different opinion than me. In fact your post here is a perfect example of how you do not know how to present a logical argument.
     
  17. The 1985er

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    Probably not good but you never know.
     
  18. BakerMaker

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    Showing patience and saying we don't have much talent for Geno is illogical and an excuse now? Isn't that the truth? How is it an illlogical argument? Who the hell are you to decide what is logical and not? Saying not all of that 57 percent of that completion percentage is on Geno, when Stokes even admitted(Rightfully so) that no QB does everything by themselves- good or bad is not presenting a logical argument? Why because it goes against your opinion? I think your clearly misinformed and don't share the blame towards everybody on the team when its been a team effort as to why this team is 1-5 personally and you are too prideful to accept or admit you're wrong but who am I say to call you that? I do think it makes your opinion and posting look petty and silly when you resort to the namecalling every other post it feels like personally but hey go continue and post and do what you do but I don't think your winning any of the "Apologists" over with your namecalling and one sided attitude entering threads.

    You do know this offense has some talent deficiencies no? I hope I am not breaking any news here to you. Its not just the QB who is stinking it up, right? I just want to make sure your watching the same games we are.

    Idzik inherited a team that was in cap hell, and had little to no depth because of stupid draft day trade ups by Mr.T(I won't fault all of his trading for veterans but he did trade picks for Favre, Tebow, Edwards, Cromartie, Barlow, and Holmes off the top of my head) which is suicide in today's NFL. Yeah his drafting has been less than impressive and yeah he could have done better this free agency. No denying that, I'm with you there(Yeah I'm actually with you, please don't let that cloud your judgment). But I also want to give him time and some patience to let his plan come out, for better or for worse. I am not for firing the guy after year 2 but I guess that makes me a sorry Idzik apologist to almighty Big Blocker.
     
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  19. BakerMaker

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    No it evens it out. You bring up should have been INTs, I bring up should have been TDs. Its all coulda, shoulda, woulda. We agree there.

    Completion percentage as a whole I feel is flawed though, nevermind as an argument for Geno or not which is why I quoted your post Stokes. This past Sunday is a good demonstration of it, so many gimmie catches by our targets that bring the completion rating down.
     
  20. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    The Geno error is almost over. I just wish we had a competent young rookie QB we could hand the ball to in the last half of the season to see what they have. But alas, our idiot GM waits until the end of the draft before selecting a QB and instead of taking someone who may succeed he takes Taj fucking Boyd...
     

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