Would You Take a Flyer on Michael Sam?

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  1. CJLang

    CJLang Well-Known Member

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    The Cowboys signed him when they certainly didn't have to. You really think the media whore in Dallas (Jones) would let the guy go if he thought the guy could contribute anything to their defense?

    Your argument makes no sense.
     
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    Like Sanchez minus the productive part.
     
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  3. ajax

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    You pull some imaginary argument out of your head, then write up a bunch of fluff to counter it. Never stated Sam was definitely gonna "make it". You've twisted this into some nonsensical argument where I should back up all 7th rounders, or list numerous 7th round success stories or admit to liking Sam based on his lifestyle choices.

    I've seen a lot of posts from people like yourself who are unable to accept the views of others. In this example, you feel that EVERYBODY who doesn't think Sam is a terrible football player MUST think so only because of his lifestyle That's it. There is ZERO CHANCE anybody else can believe he's anything more than a dud because you've made that decision and nobody else can possibly use logic to come to another conclusion. What if I told you that I believe there are other late round picks and UDFA that I believe might have a chance to make NFL rosters if given another shot? Would that also strike you as unbelievable?
     
  4. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    Sure late rounders or UDFA's can make it, but when you get cut from two practice squads that's pretty much it for you. If he keeps training he may get into a training camp next year but I wouldn't bother signing him before the offseason if at all.
     
  5. LogeSection2RowJ

    LogeSection2RowJ Well-Known Member

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    Hate to say it, but we just don't need the attention he'd bring. The potential upside still is not worth it. I'd only consider it if we had a glaring need.
     
  6. ajax

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    Totally agree with you that the odds are against late-rounders & UDFA. The odds are against him and they should be. In my first post in this thread, I labeled him as a DE too slow to play LB & too small to hold the edge. My controversial comment was that I believe he might have a shot within a certain scheme. I won't deny Sam has a lot of followers because of his lifestyle. However, that has resulted in the creation of another crowd that totally shuts down everyone that doesn't step forward in agreement that he's garbage with zero chance to ever amount to something.
     
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    Did you have a scheme in mind or are you just saying there is potentially one out there?
     
  8. pclfan

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    It's hard to believe the Defensive Co-MVP in the SEC can't even make a practice squad. Reportedly the Cowboys were asked to sign him by the NFL after he was cut by the Rams. The Rams might have also been asked by the NFL to draft him so as to prove they don't discriminate against gays (when they probably do). The Rams had a lot of good D-line players so they had an excuse to cut him. There's a shortage of D-linemen in the NFL esp those who can pass rush and Sam had a good preseason incl. 2 sacks. I think Sam sealed his fate with a kiss: on the lips of his boyfriend on national TV after he was drafted. His message was simple: if straight players can kiss their girlfriends why can't gay players do the same thing.The billionaires running the NFL aren't quite that enlightened, though. I'd be really surprised if anyone including the Jets picks him up even with injuries, etc. The guy looks like he can be at least a situational pass rusher if not more. His best bet if he wants to play pro football is right now the CFL. If he's great in the CFL they might have to sign him.
     
  9. ajax

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    4-3 situational pass rusher on a team that's lacking talent on the edges. I think he's good enough to get a practice squad invite.
     
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    He doesn't really have the speed to be a situational speed rusher or the size to be a situational power rusher. At 6'2" 260, he is a reasonable size for the pro's but his burst is underwhelming and he doesn't have good enough hip bend for being on the shorter side for a edge pass rusher.
     
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    sounds like something he would say
     
  12. JetLifeLo

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    Yall just love the circus huh? Lets just keep it rollin and sign Michael Sam...SMH!! Hell no i wouldn't want him here. We'd literally be on ESPN 5 times per hour. Constant updates about a practice squad guy we don't even need. Just askin' for distraction.
     
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    espn is retarded.
     
  14. JetBlue

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    The position he plays doesn't equate to him being good enough to bring in.
     
  15. pclfan

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    Look the measureables like speed don't always mean you're going to be a good football player. So to make a blanket statement and say he's too slow to play in the NFL sounds like an alibi to me. Great combine players like Gholston aren't going to always be good football players. And visa versa guys signed as UFAs or 7th round picks can be beasts on a football field. As for Jerry Jones wanting publicity he doesn't want that kind of pub. Kissing your boyfriend on national TV was anathema to the NFL.
     
  16. CJLang

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    Then why put him on the team in the first place? The Cowboys didn't have to pick him up! I think Jerry would have loved putting Sam on the field, especially if he played well.

    Why is it so hard for people to accept that maybe he just isn't good enough?
     
  17. IDFjet

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    I accept truthful views of others but your view is untrue--you are backing him as a pick-up only because of his lifestyle and yet you couch your argument in terms of his f-ball ability.

    If you only cared about his F-ball ability, you would have to add other players of his caliber who were 7th rounders and washed out. And 6th rounders etc. His ability is exactly what it is--a guy good enough to get drafted in the 7th but not good enough to stick even to a PS.
     
  18. ajax

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    Of all the late picks & UDFA in this draft, I actually think Da'rick Rogers has the best shot of establishing a career if he can get his act together and receive one more invite. Topic of this thread was not which late round/UDFA cut do you most believe in so I didn't bring him up. You're making this assumption that because I was unsure about Sam that I believe he stands above all other late picks & UDFA that didn't make a roster.
     
  19. ajax

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    Feel like I'm being forced into arguing why he's a can't miss prospect and that's never been my point. He is a flawed prospect and in no way should be guaranteed a roster spot. With his success in college, I can see him receiving another practice squad invite. In the Rams preseason games, he was not dominant but he looked like a decent prospect with a chance of making the roster. That's as far as my point goes.

    I'm still undecided on whether he'll ever be able to establish an NFL career. I'm not in agreement that he's some hopeless scrub with zero chance of ever cracking an NFL roster. And I'm not trying to make the argument that there's some big injustice that he's sitting out there as a free agent.
     
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  20. pclfan

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    According to Peter King, Jerry Jones was asked by the NFL to sign Michael Sam. He denied it. I don't really believe that Jerry wanted any part of Sam. They kept him around for a respectable amount of time and then they cut him. That's what I think. It's really hard to say that he can't play in the NFL esp. after he did play well in pre-season. The only way to know is to give him a chance to play. And that's not going to happen. Not because of his lack of talent but because of his sexual persuasion.
     
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