Don't be so sure on that - some have said Cook is projected to have a better pro career. Like I said depends on that team and their preference. We can go back to the discussion of this previous draft. The top 2 players weren't QBs. They preferred to take an offensive lineman or a defensive player over the QBs available. We've seen teams prefer different QBs over others. To answer your question, I don't know but I do know Cooper is a better receiver than each of those guys you listed. If I can get a QB that can run the pro-offense and make reads (Cook) then my combination could be better. Andy Dalton isn't a better talent / player then Cam Newton but whose team has been more successful?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-amari-cooper-better-than-bills-sammy-watkins Well lookie lookie. A more credited website also. 2 can play that game.
It's obvious you prefer learned skills over talent (i.e., route running, taking snaps from center, reading defenses…etc.). For the rest of the world, though, talent will always trump skill provided character is not an issue. You don't take Carmelo over LeBron, Okafur over Howard, Cook over Mariota because the former is more refined than the latter. Talent always trumps because with the talent as your base you can always add the skills later while you can't do the reverse.
Sure, Tone was injured in the 4th game. He was our no. 1? Really. Not quite. He signed a 1 year deal for $765,000. Which is no. 4 or 5 money. This was under Tannenbaum btw. Also he is still active and was on the Saskatchewan Roughriders in the CFL earlier this year but is on IR.
Where was Brown drafted? And no one said route running wasn't important, the fact that you put it about talent is lolworthy. And I don't give a shit who your favorite receivers were, I'm not drafting a lesser version of Watkins because some dude on the internet likes Reggie Wayne. Please don't try harder, it's comical. The fact that you are so illiterate you still can't understand that I never compared the two is pathetic. At least you now admit that I never compared their arm strength--baby steps but a step nonetheless. And I've seen plenty of Cook, still can't get a full read on him but I know Mariota is the superior talent and outside of you, no one else will dispute that which is fine. The fact that you want an inferior talent to a guy that's taken reps in a a pro set offesnse against cupcakes and Big Ten defenses says all I need to hear. Btw I'm not a huge fan of the multiple Oregon uniforms but when you see a player better than any other player in college football, well, even my GF saw it this weekend. Basically said "who you kidding, the Jets aren't drafting that guy, he's too good". _
No game being played as I actually agree with them because the edge Sammy has in sheer talent is not wide enough to trump how far more advanced Cooper is for the pro game than Sammy at the same point in their development. This can't be said for Mariota and Cook, though. The talent gap between those 2 is the grand canyon.
I like a player that is fundamentally sound, w/ upside. Because at the next level, I don't have time to teach a QB how to take snaps under center or use head / eyes to manipulate the defense - the QB might not be able to do these things at the next level - they never showcased it. Lebron has all of the learned skills you could ask for in a player (since HS) - that's not really a good comparison of raw v polished. Howard was hailed as one of the best centers in HS defensively (I'm a Magic fan, I knew all about this discussion). Okafor also had back issues. Would you take Andre Drummond over Anthony Davis? Drummond is far more raw in terms of being an NBA player. Talent doesn't always trump because there's a chance that player might not be able to develop those fundamental skills you learned at an early age. Look at Geno Smith - no pocket presence, can't take snaps from under center. Stephen Hill - talented as fuck but no hands, can't run routes, but he fast doe
Come on dude. You were doing so well until the bold. Cincy is probably one of the most loaded teams in the league. All they need Andy to do is not to drive the Maserati off the cliff which he seems to do every playoffs. As terrible as many think Sanchez is he somehow managed to at least keep the car on the road to the tune of 4 playoff road wins. Cincy would trade Dalton for Newton today if they could.
I'm not a Mark hater and have an open mind to how he does in the future with Philly. I don't root for the Eagles or even like Philly teams but have nothing against Mark. If he plays well more power to him. But I'm not for gilding the lily on his Jets career or blaming other players or coaches. He was terrible here and it was 100% on him. He had more lives than a cat with the Jets. He was pampered and never benched until the end. And some of his teammates made comments about it, too. And were unhappy about it like I was.
So we can't do what the Bengals are doing now starting with this draft? Load the offense up with good players (offensive lineman, WR, RB)? We need a QB that can help us win games, we don't need the most talented QB in the world. Dalton's contract will def be cheaper at the end of the day then Newton's. Bengals could get rid of Dalton because the contract is team friendly. Cam's contract will not be the same case. He said he wants to be paid big time. Mark wasn't the most talented QB, but the kid was a gamer and had a will to win games. If we put talent around him like the Bengals did with Dalton, I guarantee, we would have a SB by now or at least an appearance.
That's what your posts reminds me of. Doesn't look too good though. I've made my point already - we can agree to disagree.
A consistent jump shot, post-up play, mid-range game, ability to create your own shot…etc., those are learned skills that Melo came into the league with and LeBron without. The only "learned skill" he possessed was ball handling for his size which is not that impressive when you consider he was a guard for much of his life before he got a major growth spurt. What was undeniable was his God given and unprecedented combination size, speed and athleticism. That's what the NBA banked on knowing the other skills can be added later. Quite frankly, in his case, he'd be a dominant player even if he never developed the other skills; that's how much of a freak he was. With regards to Drummond and Davis, like the Watkins and Cooper comparison. What ever advantage, if any, you might think Drummond might have over Davis in talent is not wide enough in margin to supersede their difference in skill level. Please don't bring Geno up when talking about talent.
That's the plan B approach if you are not in position to land a franchise QB which is plan A. This off season it looks like we might be in position to execute plan A. In such a scenario, it makes no sense to bypass plan A in lieu of plan B. Note Plan B is not as sustainable as plan A because it requires the team to draft well every year to replace attrition from a stacked roster. Whereas if you have a franchise QB you can survive poor drafts and still be in contention every year because of your QB.
