I agree with seeing what he has partially because he seems to be more concerned with getting the ball out of his hands on time, This will allow us to really get a handle on what we have at our skill positions. Vick made 3-4 throws yesterday that made me sure he was either very concussed or just not good at all. 3 straight throws deep "to the end zone" that are un-catchable throws that landed 10 yards out of bounds? If he can't throw it more then 10 yards down field and he's gone next season then he's useless to us.... Yet another snake-eyes on the dice roll by Idzik.
Vick isn't the future and Geno is his last performance earned a nice long vacation. We aren't playing for anything so toss the kid out there and see if he can put anything together. If not then we can put the question if we have anything with the kid to bed.
Again, I get the point about Simms. But it remains to be seen whether Vick is really certain not to come back next year. Yes, he's not the long term future. But performance for the balance of this year is relevant if there is a chance Vick will be back. I think the Jets could use a vet Qb next season, especially if they use a high pick to go Qb in hte draft. That might well be Vick, if no other better vet Qb can be found instead.
I want Simms to get the 1st team reps for a week and a start to see what he can do. Vick is not the answer, and we need to see if Simms is worth a roster spot next year. Smith is not worth giving any reps to. People who say Simms had a chance are dreaming. NEVER has he had the 1st team reps or a chance, let alone a start. Can he be worse than Smith? NO!
To me it's not about next year it's about now. And Mike gives us our best chance to win. Not sure about Geno's health status. But if Mike is healthy as far as I'm concerned he lost the job. No more coddling or going with an unsatisfactory Qb like they did with Mark. The Qb play on Sunday was ok. Geno's future right now is holding a clipboard. If he does go on the field again this season there has to be improvement. I see him maybe coming back next season but in a backup role. He does have around 25 starts but his rock bottom stats show he's not ready to start and you can't build the offense around him. Simms-has to make more of his limited chances. And he didn't on Sunday. Can he play in the NFL. I think the the answer is yes. I'd like to see him get start to see what he can do but not right now. This team has to win games.
Very good point. Say what you want about Simms, he's looks a lot more "consistent"(?) than Geno/Vick....albeit in a smaller sample size. This year is a scratch anyway. Geno is toast(for now) and Vick ain't gonna be around long.
i would start Geno to virtually lock up a 1-15 season and the #1 or #2 overall pick. if you start simms there's always a chance he leads the offense to some points and you win a game.
It might be that at the moment Simms is the best QB on the roster. The players are not blind and whichever way you're arguing: see what Simms really is, or just put the best QB in, or even to flush the remaining games, Simms is the right man to start.
I'm sorry.... big breasts in your profile pic are distracting...... But seriously, Mo Wilk even admitted he took play(s) off during the Bills game and it seems pretty clear that some guys are playing with a little less motive anyways, it's hard to keep a team rolling when they're 1-8. Honestly, if Vick plans on playing another year or two with the Jets maybe it will be worth to give him time to create chemistry now so we can be competitive the next year or two, I was just thinking longer term in trying out Simms.
Here is a thought. Instead of giving Simms his first start against the Steelers (who will clobber us and whoever is playing QB), give him some reps for the first team this week and draw up some plays for him (our coaches aren't great planners but hey, why not give it a shot) and let him play for two or three drives in the game (unless our fragile starter gets hurt in which case those first team reps will really come in handy) to get his feet wet.
On most bad teams the backup QB is the most popular. On the Jets it's the third stringer. That tells you the Jets are going to get a real QB somehow next year. Geno has been just awful this year. He hasn't been pick-city can't move the offense awful. He's been failing to get in the endzone and losing games awful. If the Jets had invested a 1st round pick in him we'd be stuck with that for another year. They didn't so we won't. Vick's going to retire really soon. The next big hit maybe. Simms is just a guy the Jets have had for depth and the practice squad the last two seasons. There's no talent there just an occasional really good throw that makes you wonder. Geno does that also, it's just that out of a second round pick it's more glaring that you need much much more than that. If the Jets go into surrender mode on the season they should probably play Simms. He's the best ticket to 1-15 and the #1 pick.
If you think that's the case then they're equally likely to go 1-15. Matt Simms is not an NFL QB and he's not going to win anything with the mess of talent on this roster. Once Geno proved he wasn't an NFL QB, which basically had occurred by game 4 or so, and the Jets chose not to start Vick this was going to be a terrible season. Vick was here in case Geno didn't show enough to stay on the field. When they let that go past, well that's how seasons go down the drain. The Jets weren't likely to win much this year if neither of Geno or Vick could spark the offense. The 2009/2010 defenses are a thing of the past and the Special Teams have been subpar since 2012.
The players lost the luxury to have the "best" ie. veteran players play when they lost 8 games in a row. Now this team should be like every other crappy football team in the history of this league at 1-8 and be in full scale evaluation mode. The players don't like having to see vets on the bench for younger players?? Tough luck bitches - next time win a few games and keep yourselves actually relevant in November. I doubt there would be the riot you suggest anyway. The players know how this league works- always trying to get younger. They also know that your best "resume" is your game film & word of mouth around the league. If they start crying about who the QB is @ 1-8 or there play slips because of it they won't have a job. They have to play hard and focus every week regardless of what decisions come from the top because they are playing for their jobs right now. Vick shouldn't be playing at this point. He's one foot out the door already. Rex is a fucking idiot with QBs. Every single decision he's made this year with regards to the position has been wrong. It's pointless for this organization to play him at this stage in the game. Simms or Smith or stop wasting time.
People keep posting here what essentially is an assumption that it is a given Vick will not be back next year. It apparently needs to be stated that is not at all clear. If he's healthy, and they pay him enough, he will be back. I know some here think I am in general a Vick fan, since I was for starting him instead of Smith. But that is an awfully low metric, since I did not think so much that Vick is, at this point of his career, a great Qb or anything so much as that Smith really did not show the necessary improvement in the pre-season, despite the phony hype from Ryan and the CS. Ftr I think Vick looks rusty and fragile. Apparently his foot is bothering him. His ability to pick up positive yardage running has imo masked, at least from time to time, a run first approach when he has receievers open downfield. He also is too loose holding the ball for my tastes. But Smith is just awful, so the Jets have to move, finally, past that failed experiment. And I get the "see what Simms can do" perspective. But I also think Vick is a better Qb than Simms. And while this season is lost, the team has to continue assessing performances at other positions. Imo the team will play harder for Vick than Simms. Playing Simms right now turns the Jets games into the equivalent of camp scrimmages and the second halves of pre-season games, at least in the minds of the vets. I am sure if you polled the roster, they would vote for Vick over Simms. While htis is not a democracy, it still tells you something. But here's the main point - going forward, the Jets will need to have a competent vet Qb next year, no matter what they do in the draft. Imo people like Wilson and Luck are the exceptions. You still improve your chances of developing young qb's if you give them some time to develop. Plus I don't think the fanbase would stand, for good reason, for yet another year where the FO puts all its money on an unproven rookie Qb to start the season. So, who might be a better option than Vick for a vet Qb next year? Last year I thought it was Kyle Orton, but the Jets did not go there, apparently, and now Buffalo is reaping big rewards. Orton is younger and healthier than Vick, but I doubt he can be wrestled from the Bills. Who else is potentially available? Until someone better than Vick is, the Jets should hope they can bring him back. Meanwhile, play him and see if he can still be effective, or more effective to be accurate. He's already much more effective than the woeful Smith. Maybe the Jets can build on something for next year, and see how motivated players perform elsewhere on the roster. As a fan, that is far better as far as I am concerned compared to just tanking the rest of the season in the hopes that our first class scouting and drafting operation will put a somewhat higher pick to good use. Let's not forget that the last time the Jets drafted a Qb in the first round, that was Mark Sanchez.
