No, TIME took care of that...But I'll give him credit for trading our one secondary asset for an injured player who really hasn't proven himself. And, of course, leaving the secondary in utter shambles. UPDATE: Oh, lest we forget, his one "good" move helped our division rival win a SuperBowl. Thanks Idzik!! The totality of his "work" was kinda putrid. But, sure, give him credit for an individual move that he did not at all maximize into something resembling a coherent VIABLE strategy.
Sorry, I didn't see the totality of your post. No, the man didn't do nothing. Cause you have to do something besides sitting in an office when you have a GM job. But, really, sitting on money is supposed to be "something". No, it's nothing. Wasting a season and getting your HC fired because you low balled free agents of note, quality free agents, is not doing a good job. It's worse than nothing. There were OGs available. Better than the ones he drafted. Breno was a "bargain" move, which really just punts the issue. And that's what was terrible: he punted last season away. Oh, and his drafting: it's nothing to pick a guy IN THE FIRST ROUND who grades out well and who is successful. That's the lowest of expectations, for me. But look deeper at his draft strategy: SEVERAL WRs signed and picked in the draft that had ZERO catches. This is a waste of draft and FA capital. Picking players with long histories of injury who, SHOCKER, suffered major injuries. My GOD, how is it that Idzik is constantly mentioned? He S-U-C-K-E-D!! He sucked so bad that he got himself AND the HC fired. And now that we have a REAL GM, you're still extoling his virtues?! I couldn't disagree more with your thesis. Well, maybe I did address the totality of your post...HE SUCKED!!!
When we return to cap Hell in a few years, I wonder if people will turn on Mac the way they turned on Tanny. Jets fans love to make a splash, but what we are doing only makes us better in the short term. I hope and pray that Mac can deliver in the draft room too. That is where championships are made.
His strategy was to rebuild. that takes 3 years. he was allowed to see his plan out. if he was, he would be picking #6 overall and playing with 50m in cap room. The problem is that delusional fans think that we could have competed last year, when there was 0 chance of that every happening. the front office allowed a rebuild, then turned around and fired him when we sucked... during a rebuild. he also was allowed to pick his own coaches. As far as Revis, he did turn that into cap room and the defensive rookie of the year. but i guess that doesnt count. "Time" doesnt clear cap room. discipline does. and if he had made the moves many posters here wanted last offseason, we wouldnt have any cap room, and would be left with a team of overpriced players, no QB, and a pick in the teens instead of #6. you cant tell a guy he can rebuild the team, fire him in the middle of it, then expect the end result to look good. Idzik would be spending cap room and having the #6 pick to work with right now.
That "wasted" season got us the #6 pick. I would not call that wasted. wasted would be overpaying marginal players to get to 8-8 and have a pick in the teens instead. a worse pick and less cap room doesnt sound like a better plan to me He didnt get himself and his coach fired. our horrible owner did that all on his own.... that owner forced the coach on his GM, that owner PUBLICALLY ADMITTED WE WERE IN A REBUILD then went and fired anyone because we werent any good. I'm not saying idzik did everything right. but it is completely unfair to say he was bad, especially when he had moves forced on him, and wasnt allowed to spend the cap room he was discipline enough to save and the draft pick he got from being patient/willing to have a bad season for. Who would you have signed last year that would have changed things for the better? there was ZERO chance we made the playoffs last year. getting us a lower draft pick doesnt help us. being bad last year wasnt a horrible long term thing
"if he had made the moves most posters here wanted...." Are most [Any} posters here employed by any NFL team to make personnel decisions?! So, that's a meaningless statement. The NFL, especially for a team that hadn't had a winning season in 3 years, is not a "rebuilding" league!! It's a "show me you know what the fuck you're doing with regards to personnel moves" league. And Idzik showed his employer that he didn't know DICK about it. Fortunately, the owner realized his mistake and we don't have to wait through this year to see "oh, he hasn't pulled the trigger on anyone of note..." "oh, these guys are too expensive for me..." "oh, let's let the good WRs go and pick through the bargain bin again..." FUCK THAT!! And, please, GTFOH with this: "he turned Revis into a defensive rookie of the year." Yeah, that does count. But it also counts that he turned Revis into a secondary that couldn't cover a coffee table. You know, fine. You feel that Idzik did a good job: hire him!! Oh wait, you can't hire him and nobody in need of GM wanted to hire him or has hired since Woody did.
I feel the games I watched were a wasted 48-plus hours of my life. But, you know, Mac has done more good this offseason than Idzik did for two offseasons. And that's not even counting the draft. Mac has done what a competent GM does: he makes the most of his assets. He doesn't TANK so that he can get a good draft pick. And, I'm willing to bet that he won't draft players with dubious injury histories so that he can TANK again.
You know, this stupidity is like all the "Mangenius" supporters saying that he was a good coach and good GM material. And, guess what? He ain't had a sniff of either since Cleveland, not even mentioned until I just did.
cry me a river...He was pathetically bad. And only an idiot would believe otherwise. If he were good, he'd get a sniff of another job, but, nobody has offered him more than what he's good at: hiding the keys to the safety deposit box.
I'm quite sure you've thrown out the classic red herring and as a Geno apologist I'm sure you don't like good smart QBs like Teddy. _
an observation of opinions on this messageboard is meaningless? what is the point of a messageboard if not to discuss opinions? the team hadnt had a winning season in 3 years BECAUSE they werent willing to rebuild... and kept piling on junk to an already bad situation. Idzik took over a mess. both roster wise and cap wise. there is no other option but to rebuild. only a moron would think that just sticking with sanchez and continuing to roll out the same overpaid guys was going to get us back in the playoffs. The only didnt realize anything, he is the same emotional easily manipulated by headlines owner he always was. he wouldnt let idzik pick his coach because rex was a headline guy and the team just beat the dolphins. he came out and said himself we were gonna have to rebuild, then he let the headlines dictate firing rex and idzik because we stunk, even though he signed up for the rebuild himself. Again, who would he have pulled the trigger on last season? Eric Decker wasnt exactly "bargain bin" and what other WR exactly should he have brought in? how would that WR had changed anything. we were NEVER going to the playoffs with Geno or Vick. all that would have done is raised our cap and gave us a worse pick. it was a rebuilding year. our roster last year was completely irrelevant. it wasnt one built to win. temporarily getting worse and getting a top 5 or so pick helps speed up a rebuild. you can fix every problem in one offseason. im not a big idzik fan. we dont seem to be as high on the same players.... the point is, it is idiotic to fire a guy 2 years into a 3 year rebuild when he was successful in being discipline in enough to clear 50M in cap room and play through bad years to get a top 5-10 pick. to take on a parcells analogy, if you are going to ask someone to make dinner, dont kick them out while the water is just starting to boil
How am I a geno apologist? I think he is one of the worst starting QB's in football. Who doesn't like smart quarterbacks? You can be smart and also not be a cant miss prospect fracnhise calibur QB that was in no way a red herring. where was i being intentionally misleading or distracting from the point? my point was VERY clear. you dont need to go all in on a QB if they arent a cant miss QB, and Tedy/Carr are not cant misses like luck was
He wasnt pathetic, he simply was let go before he was allowed to use the cap/picks he had worked to get us. His drafted poorly, he wasnt a great GM in that regard. some people forget the situation he took over. we had bottom 10 talent and one of the worst cap situations in the league. thats not something you turn around in 1 season. And again, no one is yet to tell me these magical signing that would have gotten us to the playoffs or made Geno or vick good players overnight
What's this bullshit? You're a HUGE Idzik fan!! Don't fucking lie about it. Own it. ONLY and Idzik fan would extole his virtues and completely ignore his massive failures as you have. As stated previously, Mac has done more good for this team in two months than Idzik did in two years.
And we had bottom 10 talent and 40 million in cap room after two years. That's success?! Please, a tin can could have done what he did: let contracts run out and replace them with empty lockers.
The Idzik Groupies keep harping on the REvis trade: He took Revis and replaced him with Richardson. Ok, that's fine EXCEPT DL was not a position of need. So, a luxury when you consider OL, DBs, LB, ETC. He left the secondary a wasteland without Revis and it still was, two years later, until Mac fixed it. He might have been able to get Richardson WITHOUT trading Revis anyway! And, that trade eventually helped give our hated Division Rivals a SB trophy!! That's supposed to be good GMing?!
When have i ignored his failures? I've consistently acknowledged his poor drafting Mac didnt come into a situation where: 1) his team was in cap hell, and had 0 money to spend AND had to clean up the cap 2) his team had few picks, and no high picks 3) he wasnt allowed to pick his own head coach Mac basically inherited a great situation. Tons of cap room to work with, some really good young players still on their first contracts, and the #6 overall pick. now lets look at what Idzik inherited a team with its 2 best players asking to be paid big money, a decision to make on an enigma at QB who won despite awful numbers who had a big pricetag, a lack of draft picks because tanny was trade happy with them, and wasnt allowed to choose his own coach. apples and oranges. you dont have to be a fan of idzik to acknowledge he did some good, especially with our cap and being the only guy willing to say we need to rebuild
It's what you do before you get there that matters!! Teams go through cap hell regularly. It lasts two years, max. As far as what Mac ahs done so far, there's virtually ZERO potential of that happening: Revis is basically on a two-year contract, the others can be cut next year with virtually no cap hit. This is GMing. Sitting on your hands while your team's talent is not up to par is not.
